why hate off the street hires ?

[10 Pt]

No they never told my job would be to unload trucks?

You probably got hired because no one else wanted the graveyard shift.
Don't worry about the animosity. It'll subside in time. Get tougher skin. You'll need it here for sure.

 

[jaker]

That may well be true but as the op stated he put his time in otr which you did not. It's all relative bro.

Yep just like a lot of people on the outside think all we do is drive in package

You can defend him all you want but like you said is all relative , we don't know what he really did or how long he did it

But comparing 12 years in package to 12 years driving rigs is a lot different

 

[MAKAVELI]

But comparing 12 years in package to 12 years driving rigs is a lot different

Exactly. So why would he need 12 in package to drive a rig?

 

[542thruNthru]

But at the same time wouldn't they not know how it is to drive a truck away from your family for weeks at a time just to get experience and make it out there trucking outside of ups is pretty hard as well I'm not saying ups is not a hard job but being Otr for years not having any kind of life outside of that is pretty demanding as well isn't it ?

Didn't you say in the other thread you're single with no kids?

 

[Coldworld]

I'd say he fits right in.

He's not official until he gets a few red x's from you know who.....lol

 

[Box Ox]

Because the people in the building spent years making very little money for a chance to drive. In some cases it's takes years of part time work in order to just get the chance. To them they feel that they have worked their way up and have a greater appreciation for that job. Whereas you just walked into a high paying job without paying your dues.

This. And the lack of understanding and/or appreciation for what they've obtained and why seems to be where most of problems with off street hires begin and end. In real life and here on BC.

 

[Coldworld]

Not going to happen it took me 17 years to get into feeder

23 here brother....

 

[Coldworld]

That may well be true but as the op stated he put his time in otr which you did not. It's all relative bro.

He didn't do otr at ups.... There is a difference... I don't care if they hire a bunch of off the street hires...as long as all of our guys who are already here who want a driving job get their chance to try first.

 

[olroadbeech]

Because UPS feeder drivers are elitist snobs. I worked there over 20 years and some feeder drivers never accepted me in all that time because I was hired off the street.

And I already had over a million safe driving miles when i was hired. that didn't matter to the package car drivers who came into feeder and had 6 months in feeder.

That's OK. I didn't accept them either. ( as my peer )

 

[Coldworld]

Exactly. So why would he need 12 in package to drive a rig?

Why should a outside hire walk right in when you have been waiting for that spot for 12 years....you are already an employee here and someone off the street walks right in.... why would anyone here not have a problem with that... Blows my mind

 

[olroadbeech]

Why should a outside hire walk right in when you have been waiting for that spot for 12 years....you are already an employee here and someone off the street walks right in.... why would anyone here not have a problem with that... Blows my mind

There shouldn't be a problem because seniority within the company rules.
It's just dickheads being dicks.

 

[Coldworld]

There shouldn't be a problem because seniority within the company rules.
It's just dickheads being dicks.

I hear you but I wouldn't expect to be able to go over to fedex and go right into driving just because I have years at ups...then bump over fedex loaders who had been there 10 years waiting for a shot driving....that's not ok.

 

[Coldworld]

There shouldn't be a problem because seniority within the company rules.
It's just dickheads being dicks.

Then I guess we need to change it in the contract where they can hire 10/1 or 15/1....

 

[MAKAVELI]

I hear you but I wouldn't expect to be able to go over to fedex and go right into driving just because I have years at ups...then bump over fedex loaders who had been there 10 years waiting for a shot driving....that's not ok.

I highly doubt that is how the op got hired. You guys have a system in place that places seniority within the company as priority to hiring drivers both in package and feeders. FedEx has something similar but no contract to enforce it. With that being said the op most likely got the position legitimately and due to his experience. Just like most jobs in the transportation industry.

 

[Coldworld]

I highly doubt that is how the op got hired. You guys have a system in place that places seniority within the company as priority to hiring drivers both in package and feeders. FedEx has something similar but no contract to enforce it. With that being said the op most likely got the position legitimately and due to his experience. Just like most jobs in the transportation industry.

But unlike most transportation companies in the industry ups is Union and there are rules that need to be followed. I know our contract has a ratio of outside hires/mgt to inside guys and gals
And I have no problem with that but people who say it doesn't mater if someone works here 20 years in the warehouse waiting for a spot while so some lucky person comes in and takes it just because they have driven truck...this has been discussed here hundreds of times and the naysayers always find an excuse to try to get their point across.....I wouldn't expect to go into any trucking company and bump guys on the dock...if they had somekind of outside hire clause, fine, but I would still feel wierd about it and would understand if people were pissed

 

[olroadbeech]

Then I guess we need to change it in the contract where they can hire 10/1 or 15/1....

I must be misunderstanding. I agree, A driver just can't come off the street and jump over people.

In cases that I know of, they put up a bid list for package to come over to feeder. NO ONE signed it. Then they put up the bid list in the building for part timers. NO ONE signed it.


So they hired off the street. That sounds OK. That is how I was hired off the street.

Maybe that is the case here. He's not stepping on any toes but the people who started with the company at the very bottom think they are better than this guy for some reason.

He hasn't "paid his dues" in their eyes. It doesn't matter that he probably worked non union jobs for pay and no benefits for 10-15-20 years.

Now , he hit the lottery and some people are just gonna be jerks about it .

I have always been very grateful that I worked my butt off for almost 20 years before UPS. Always had much more appreciation for this job than the guys and gals that started here right after high school and never knew anything else.

 

[Coldworld]

I highly doubt that is how the op got hired. You guys have a system in place that places seniority within the company as priority to hiring drivers both in package and feeders. FedEx has something similar but no contract to enforce it. With that being said the op most likely got the position legitimately and due to his experience. Just like most jobs in the transportation industry.

He got "hired" by being the one in a ratio of 6.....so what... I chalk it up to being at the right place at the right time.. Good for them I'm glad that someone's life could change for the better... I'm just glad that most of our own guys get the shot now.... This isn't 1985 anymore!!!

 

[MAKAVELI]

He got "hired" by being the one in a ratio of 6.....so what... I chalk it up to being at the right place at the right time.. Good for them I'm glad that someone's life could change for the better...

Exactly. And once he passes his probation he will be a union brother. If that ratio is an issue for the membership I suggest that the teamsters negotiate to increase that ratio or get rid of it all together. Don't hate on someone who has merely applied to and hired to a position that was posted to the public.

 

[BusterBrown31]

Exactly. So why would he need 12 in package to drive a rig?

Driving a rig is not easy I will never forget my first blizzard in the middle of the night in Wyoming...driving in all types of weather for years not knowing if the unthinkable will happen rather than just sitting in a box truck dropping off packages in residential areas during the day. That is demanding and very stressful driving 5k miles every week risking your freedom and life if an accident was to happen all just to be able to support your family and yourself. Package delivery and handling is tough but what I've been through and many other drivers have been through on the road is a lot tougher but that's my opinion to each their own.

 

[BusterBrown31]

Didn't you say in the other thread you're single with no kids?

Yeah I did say that but just because I don't have a wife doesn't mean I don't have a mother father sisters etc.