Why people quit

[New Englander]

Not trying to argue, but curious - name one.

Must we list the various and plentiful local assembly jobs that can be found ANYWHERE in the entire country that have a lower starting pay then UPS?

 

[New Englander]

Oh, heck, sorry - I speak only of the $8.50/hour unloader working the 3am - 9am shift. It's still fresh with me - if there is a hell, I imagine that is what it is like, but less chance of being killed by 110lb irregulars stacked on the top of the row by sadistic loaders.

Is there an easier UPS position then unloader? You put a box on a roller.....over and over and over. You honestly think that position is worth more then $8.50 an hour starting wage at part-time?

What responsibility do you have other then to show up and maybe try to keep labels up?

 

[New Englander]

I started in 1986 as a part timer for $8/hr. Benefits followed shortly there after. 30-60 days, I don't remember. That was good money then. Frankly at the time I didn't care less about the benefits. I was in college and still on my parents benefits as well as being "immortal". UPS targeted college kids and it was a good fit. Now 22 years later they are offering $8.50 to start with no benefits for a year. So now who are they targeting? They are getting exactly what they deserve and pay for, substandard employees. The majority realize in a short time that it isn't worth it. It's only going to get worse as the contract calls for no increases throughout 2013.

Whether we like it or not UPS and the Teamsters let down the backbone of our operation, the part time employee. We will all pay a price ultimately for selfishly voting in what is becoming an increasingly obvious poor contract. Unfortunately these part timers didn't realize the power their vote carries. Their vast numbers could have easily changed the face of the contract had they mobilized. Who's fault is that? All of ours. Who will pay the price? We all will. We already are.

For some strange reason you guys honestly think higher pay equates into better employee's. It just does not happen. Look at the driver/feeder ranks, there are some real slugs there as well.

The Union loves part-time turnover. You guys need to understand that.

 

[2Slow]

Is there an easier UPS position then unloader? You put a box on a roller.....over and over and over. You honestly think that position is worth more then $8.50 an hour starting wage at part-time?

What responsibility do you have other then to show up and maybe try to keep labels up?

1200 boxes per hour overall average for the shift? I did unload for several years when I started, I wouldn't do it now for what I make (let alone for $8.50).
There is no mental part to that job to speak of, but it is physically brutal. Were you ever in the unload? I don't mean did you unload for 2 hours when small sort had too many people, but did you ever have to come in everyday and try to do that job? I did, it is far from easy.

 

[trplnkl]

For some strange reason you guys honestly think higher pay equates into better employee's. It just does not happen. Look at the driver/feeder ranks, there are some real slugs there as well.

The Union loves part-time turnover. You guys need to understand that.

Care to expound on that?

 

[But Benefits Are Great!]

Is there an easier UPS position then unloader? You put a box on a roller.....over and over and over. You honestly think that position is worth more then $8.50 an hour starting wage at part-time?

What responsibility do you have other then to show up and maybe try to keep labels up?

Spoken like someone who has OBVIOUSLY never done it. Don't insult us by saying you did - you didn't. Because if you had ever unloaded, you would know how utterly stupid the above quoted text you wrote is.

 

[freeloader]

Care to expound on that?

Initiation fees?

 

[But Benefits Are Great!]

Must we list the various and plentiful local assembly jobs that can be found ANYWHERE in the entire country that have a lower starting pay then UPS?

One - here in the Philly / NYC corridor, you cannot find a job that pays LESS than UPS. Local assembly jobs? Are you kidding? All here start above $8.50, and involve less than 1/10th the physical work.

 

[But Benefits Are Great!]

For some strange reason you guys honestly think higher pay equates into better employee's. It just does not happen. Look at the driver/feeder ranks, there are some real slugs there as well.

The Union loves part-time turnover. You guys need to understand that.

Spoken like someone who has never done anything but work FOR someone else. Higher pay unquestionaly attracts better people - if you don't believe that, you are simply clueless.

Now that UPS starts unloaders at $8.50 and benefits don't kick in for a year, I really cannot understand why anyone would start their career at UPS. The vast majority of people who used to accept positions at UPS to do the brutal, physical work did so because A) After 3 months they got benefits that enhanced whatever REAL job they had, or B)They had dreams to move thru the ranks to become a driver.

I started a few months prior to the new contract, so I have my benefits. I never would have considered the position of unloader at $8.50/hour if I had to wait a year to kick in - there are FAR too many easier jobs that pay much better.

I have no doubt whatsoever (mark this on your calander) that regardless of what the labor contract states, you will see UPS raise its' starting rate, kick the benefits back in at 3 months instead of 12, or both within the next year.

 

[New Englander]

Spoken like someone who has OBVIOUSLY never done it. Don't insult us by saying you did - you didn't. Because if you had ever unloaded, you would know how utterly stupid the above quoted text you wrote is.

Are you daft? Are you confusing the physicality of the job translating to it's wage level? I've been in the unload many times, to even think I'm kidding about that is utterly stupid.

I was a part time unloader PRIOR to me taking a full time courier position with FedEx Express.

My first 3 years here as a driver were riddled with LAYOFFS as an unloader.

To sit here and argue semantics is pointless. In VT/NH you will find MANY assembly jobs starting at $7.50 to $8.50 for PART TIME work. Several in my home town.

 

[New Englander]

Spoken like someone who has never done anything but work FOR someone else. Higher pay unquestionaly attracts better people - if you don't believe that, you are simply clueless.

Now that UPS starts unloaders at $8.50 and benefits don't kick in for a year, I really cannot understand why anyone would start their career at UPS. The vast majority of people who used to accept positions at UPS to do the brutal, physical work did so because A) After 3 months they got benefits that enhanced whatever REAL job they had, or B)They had dreams to move thru the ranks to become a driver.

I started a few months prior to the new contract, so I have my benefits. I never would have considered the position of unloader at $8.50/hour if I had to wait a year to kick in - there are FAR too many easier jobs that pay much better.

I have no doubt whatsoever (mark this on your calander) that regardless of what the labor contract states, you will see UPS raise its' starting rate, kick the benefits back in at 3 months instead of 12, or both within the next year.

If you wanted to go full time at UPS you would have considered it regardless. Don't even try to tell me otherwise.

 

[But Benefits Are Great!]

...Are you confusing the physicality of the job translating to it's wage level? .....

Confusing it? No. Rightfully equating & linking the two? Of course.

Are you telling me in comparing two jobs, both being equal, but one much more physically demanding than the other, that they should both pay the same?

 

[brownrodster]

Must we list the various and plentiful local assembly jobs that can be found ANYWHERE in the entire country that have a lower starting pay then UPS?

The minimum wage is almost equal to UPS starting wage in my neck of the woods. Entry level horrible jobs usually start at least 10$ or more around here.

 

[But Benefits Are Great!]

If you wanted to go full time at UPS you would have considered it regardless. Don't even try to tell me otherwise.

If I were a single man, I would agree with you (much to my displeasure).

As I am married with children, I confirm what I said - if I knew I had to wait a year for benefits, I would not, could not, have considered the job at $8.50/hour. That is the complete and honest truth.

 

[Fnix]

Hey if you come to our company and sort or unload 50 tons of boxes in 3.5 hours we will give you $30.

 

[New Englander]

If I were a single man, I would agree with you (much to my displeasure).

As I am married with children, I confirm what I said - if I knew I had to wait a year for benefits, I would not, could not, have considered the job at $8.50/hour. That is the complete and honest truth.

So you'd have considered the part time job at say $10?

 

[New Englander]

Confusing it? No. Rightfully equating & linking the two? Of course.

Are you telling me in comparing two jobs, both being equal, but one much more physically demanding than the other, that they should both pay the same?

Are you trying to say as an unloader you have the same responsibilities as any other position at UPS? What is there to hold you accountable for?

Unloading while physical is pretty much the bottom of the barrel type of work.

 

[trplnkl]

NewEnglander, do work at UPS or FredEx?

 

[UPSIsASillyCompany]

Wow, this would have been appropriate for this thread too:

http://www.browncafe.com/community/threads/my-first-day-lol.184124/

 

[wkmac]

We talking managment or hourlies here? Two VERY different sets of reasons.

I wouldn't go that far an say that. I know both hourly (FT union) and management (even some corp. folks) who have left and for the most part they all said the same thing. One really good guy who was a PE specialist who kept getting jerked around left UPS about 3 years ago and today makes well over $200k a year and is 6th in line below the CEO at Gulfstream. I'm tickled pink for the guy although I'm sad that he never became our supervisor.