Why The Rich Love Destroying Unions...

[Frankie's Friend]

The problem is, the union thinks the language will be used one way, those of us down in the trenches see it how it will actually be used.

This is where the disconnect between what is expected and what is going on happens.

Much like how @BigUnionGuy calls me a liar about having 1000+ grievances in local 728 backed up. Yet, he hasn’t even called them to simply ask.

It was all allegedly recorded to make sure that the language is interpreted just like it was discussed.
Problem is that subcontracting language is pretty darn plain but our ba says it doesnt mean what it actually says.
SMH

 

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Misinformed people should be squashed from spreading more misinformation. The whole UAW analogy lost me.

What’s he got wrong? Is it not $6 less an hour for delivering ground? People negotiating sub standard contracts need to be squashed.

 

[Slug Life]

He wants to turn in into the UAW. He had the Taj Mahal of job as a prison guard and the Scott Walker messed it up. He was set and then his miserable mom told him to come work at the same place that has made her miserable for the last 20 years. He also got his degree at the age of 19. He has to be pretty sharp to do that and end up driving at UPS.

Tony Q you sound jealous baby. It’s okay to be jealous of a real Teamster. Learn and move forward.

 

[Tony Q]

If this passes, I do.

It won't pass. The negotiations will be off till 2019.

 

[Tony Q]

So why are you still talking?

2,000

 

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It won't pass. The negotiations will be off till 2019.

Of course. UPS has them in their back pocket.

 

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2,000

Dollars you’re getting for pitching this POS contract?

 

[Box Ox]

Problem is that subcontracting language is pretty darn plain but our ba says it doesnt mean what it actually says.
SMH

And every center/hub manager in the Country will say the Contract text does mean exactly what it says while they’re shoving the language up your ass for the next 5 years. Because it’s a Contract designed for that purpose.

What a role reversal between Union and Company leadership. What a dereliction of duty by the Union and your BA.

 

[Over70irregs]

Simple divide and conquer folks. That’s all this contract is about. Once this contract is up..... bang! (Oh we shoulda...woulda.....coulda...)

 

[Over70irregs]

Also forgot about the pension problem. Is that taken care of, or are there cuts still coming in spite of this contract?

 

[DELACROIX]

With the Pension underfunding...They haven't even scratched the surface with this contract...Both parties are waiting it out till the 2023 contract than most of the current leadership will be replaced or retired, and maybe, just maybe there will be a fair settlement from both the Union and Company.

5000 new 22.4s positions created in the last 4 years of this tentative will not create enough monetary contributions to correct most of their suffering pensions funds. I suspect that most of those new positions will be created in areas where they have Teamsters controlled monetary contributions plans in the West and East. The Central and South are under the defined benefit plan of the IBT/UPS which was the Central States area. I could be wrong, but just from reading the tea leaves it appears that the Central will be close to default by 2023. This contract is a 32 cent GWI increase over the next 5 years over the previous one and no real improvements in the Pensions and Health and Welfare benefits considering the monetary contributions that is suppose to be going into those trusts, especially in the Central and Southern.

This contract was set up a a bridge one before the bigger battle in 2023. If the membership votes this one in on the first try it will send a clear message on the mindset of the majority that the company will to it's best advantage with the next one, in which they probably have plans for already. This contract is a test to just see how much guff we will take before we will say "enough" already...Look at the profit margins and the projected increases on internet sales, the skies the limit...Bottom line with this contract as it is now is they won big time and there is nothing that the current Union Leadership is going to do about it. With the consideration of the last International election results it would be fair to say that from day one of the negotiating they looked across the table and had no respect for those who were looking the other way, they seen then before and knew who they were dealing with. Leadership that had 70 percent of it's UPS membership that bother to turn in a ballot voting for the other guy.

Clearly not a strong mandate of support from the rank and file...Really maybe they did the best they could considering...

 

[1whofan]

With the Pension underfunding...They haven't even scratched the surface with this contract...Both parties are waiting it out till the 2023 contract than most of the current leadership will be replaced or retired, and maybe, just maybe there will be a fair settlement from both the Union and Company.

5000 new 22.4s positions created in the last 4 years of this tentative will not create enough monetary contributions to correct most of their suffering pensions funds. I suspect that most of those new positions will be created in areas where they have Teamsters controlled monetary contributions plans in the West and East. The Central and South are under the defined benefit plan of the IBT/UPS which was the Central States area. I could be wrong, but just from reading the tea leaves it appears that the Central will be close to default by 2023. This contract is a 32 cent GWI increase over the next 5 years over the previous one and no real improvements in the Pensions and Health and Welfare benefits considering the monetary contributions that is suppose to be going into those trusts, especially in the Central and Southern.

This contract was set up a a bridge one before the bigger battle in 2023. If the membership votes this one in on the first try it will send a clear message on the mindset of the majority that the company will to it's best advantage with the next one, in which they probably have plans for already. This contract is a test to just see how much guff we will take before we will say "enough" already...Look at the profit margins and the projected increases on internet sales, the skies the limit...Bottom line with this contract as it is now is they won big time and there is nothing that the current Union Leadership is going to do about it. With the consideration of the last International election results it would be fair to say that from day one of the negotiating they looked across the table and had no respect for those who were looking the other way, they seen then before and knew who they were dealing with. Leadership that had 70 percent of it's UPS membership that bother to turn in a ballot voting for the other guy.

Clearly not a strong mandate of support from the rank and file...Really maybe they did the best they could considering...

I 100% agree with you, you absolutely nailed it with 2018 is a test and 2023 is the bigger battle. If we accept this contract in 2018 what's coming our way in 2023 is going to be a bigger POS contract than this one..

 

[Time for change]

Tyler has done more good for Teamsters during this contract debacle than any of the old, washed up and out of touch members of leadership. Thank you Tyler, you’re a great Teamster and a great American.

 

[LagunaBrown]

Tyler has done more good for Teamsters during this contract debacle than any of the old, washed up and out of touch members of leadership. Thank you Tyler, you’re a great Teamster and a great American.

The kid has spunk but why does he not run for union positions in his local? Seems like he could do more there. The reality is his videos sound good but impossible to address all regional issues. He backed out of the pension by the second video because of that. Now trying to explain TCD and Cover Driver video shows he is talking in much too vague of terms. Some of this language has been in before he even worked at UPS and now he is trying to convince everyone to change it? If you vote “yes” you get more Two Tier drivers but if you vote “no” you keep the same lower paid Two Tier drivers. Is saying to change all the language realistic? How long would that take? What effect would it have on customers If NMA get voted down?

 

[DELACROIX]

If by chance it gets voted down they will simply go back to the negotiating table and do their assigned jobs. There is no way the Union is going to strike unless they are backed into a corner, we all know that.

Our current customer base knows that also, it is called collective bargaining, they know the concept. Business will go on as usual, both parties will play it low key and if the competition tries to us it to their advantage let it be. A good test to see if the first one is voted down would be if there is a drop with our stock, with the markets running positive it would not be significant enough to warrant concern.

I have to see Tyler's video, he is our next generation after all.

 

[bbsam]

The problem is, the union thinks the language will be used one way, those of us down in the trenches see it how it will actually be used.

This is where the disconnect between what is expected and what is going on happens.

Much like how @BigUnionGuy calls me a liar about having 1000+ grievances in local 728 backed up. Yet, he hasn’t even called them to simply ask.

Lol. C’mon. The union knows exactly how it’s going to end up in the trenches. They’ve seen it coming. They don’t care. They’re getting paid...maybe from both sides?