i hear ya, and im freight so its quite different over here but i will say this, a normal week for me is at least 55 hours, in spring and summer its well above 60, at thats the way it is everywhere with LTL driving at most reputable companies, and starting at UPS for at least the first few years the pay is on par with the rest of em, but top rate is highest in industry and even starting rate i can afford to have my wife stay home with my kids, not many other companies offer what ups does at all, especially for a guy like me who only went to HS.....and this might sound terrible to some but i absolutely can be bought for hard cash, the days are long and im beat at end of week but i dunno where else a high school grad could go and make enough money for wife to for most part stay home, but to each his own i guess...i only post because i hear a lot of guy say ooh man i have no life or ohh man its hard work and hours, i just try to keep eye on prize, and i drink too that helps a lot