Another school shooting.
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wkmac
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In light of the post school shooting discussion, this interview by Julie Davis of Occupy Radio with Stefan Molyneux of FreedomainRadio on these issues are thought provoking.
[video=youtube;3VSqIMkXVe4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VSqIMkXVe4&feature=player_embedded[/video]
[video=youtube;3VSqIMkXVe4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VSqIMkXVe4&feature=player_embedded[/video]
moreluck
golden ticket member
Bayonet for the silent wet work!
wkmac
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If getting rid of guns stops violence and killing, then why don't nationstates disarm to stop wars? IMO, for those who would advocate disarming of an individual to achieve peace while advocating the arming of a central power in order to achieve peace makes no sense because all you've done is to take the untrustworthy individual and form him into groups or collective and thus by magical transformation, this individual will now seek to the betterment of mankind?
Seems to me that logic is flawed but what the
do I know!
As Stefan Molyneux rightly points out in the video, once you place the gun in the room, all solutions of peace are gone. If armed organized states are the means to peace and wellbeing, then explain throughout history how the means of killing, pain and suffering have all come from the desire to control the reigns of power of organized societies? And as I said in another post, we wonder where the violence expressed by our kids comes from? It's a learned trait people!
Besides, firearms as we know them are becoming obsolete anyway.
Seems to me that logic is flawed but what the
do I know!As Stefan Molyneux rightly points out in the video, once you place the gun in the room, all solutions of peace are gone. If armed organized states are the means to peace and wellbeing, then explain throughout history how the means of killing, pain and suffering have all come from the desire to control the reigns of power of organized societies? And as I said in another post, we wonder where the violence expressed by our kids comes from? It's a learned trait people!
Besides, firearms as we know them are becoming obsolete anyway.
av8torntn
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moreluck
golden ticket member
Arapahoe...
There’s a critical part of the Arapahoe High shooter story that some in the MSM are leaving out.
According to CNN:
The rampage might have resulted in many more casualties had it not been for the quick response of a deputy sheriff who was working as a school resource officer at the school, Robinson said.
Once he learned of the threat, he ran — accompanied by an unarmed school security officer and two administrators — from the cafeteria to the library, Robinson said. “It’s a fairly long hallway, but the deputy sheriff got there very quickly.”
According to Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson, “The deputy was yelling for people to get down and identified himself as a county deputy sheriff. We know for a fact that the shooter knew that the deputy was in the immediate area and, while the deputy was containing the shooter, the shooter took his own life.”
Because of the deputy, the shooting was over in 80 seconds.
Good guys with guns have stopped such shootings in the past, such as the Clackamas Mall shooting. Again the MSM seemed to miss this part of the story. After killing three, that shooter faced a man who had a concealed-carry permit and pulled a gun. The shooter, when faced with another man with a gun, killed himself, much as the shooter in Arapahoe did.
But wait, I thought Colorado had just passed stringent new gun control laws? This led to great rancor and the recall of some of the Democratic politicians who voted for the new regulations. They went into effect in July.
But the new gun control laws didn’t stop Karl Pierson, who reportedly bought the shotgun a week before the shooting.
Only the good guy with a gun did.
There’s a critical part of the Arapahoe High shooter story that some in the MSM are leaving out.
According to CNN:
The rampage might have resulted in many more casualties had it not been for the quick response of a deputy sheriff who was working as a school resource officer at the school, Robinson said.
Once he learned of the threat, he ran — accompanied by an unarmed school security officer and two administrators — from the cafeteria to the library, Robinson said. “It’s a fairly long hallway, but the deputy sheriff got there very quickly.”
According to Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson, “The deputy was yelling for people to get down and identified himself as a county deputy sheriff. We know for a fact that the shooter knew that the deputy was in the immediate area and, while the deputy was containing the shooter, the shooter took his own life.”
Because of the deputy, the shooting was over in 80 seconds.
Good guys with guns have stopped such shootings in the past, such as the Clackamas Mall shooting. Again the MSM seemed to miss this part of the story. After killing three, that shooter faced a man who had a concealed-carry permit and pulled a gun. The shooter, when faced with another man with a gun, killed himself, much as the shooter in Arapahoe did.
But wait, I thought Colorado had just passed stringent new gun control laws? This led to great rancor and the recall of some of the Democratic politicians who voted for the new regulations. They went into effect in July.
But the new gun control laws didn’t stop Karl Pierson, who reportedly bought the shotgun a week before the shooting.
Only the good guy with a gun did.
phox1515
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or perhaps get to the root of the issue, WHY did the shooting occur, most of them have been due to bullying, if schools took a better stance than suspension for bullying, perhaps legal action on either student or parent for not doing anything effective then it might stop, you can get weapons in to schools even with metal detectors... heck just take a handgun, throw it over the fence, go in through detectors business as normal then go grab your gun... bam that did squat!
