FedEx cry babies

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

That sucks.

The race to the bottom is nearly over.

 

[bbsam]

The race to the bottom is nearly over.

That's an odd assessment. It could be taken so many ways. Sadly, the only bottom that seems to matter is the race to maximizing the bottom line.

 

[vantexan]

I am in no way complaining about my wage.

All I am saying is that Ground has proven and continues to prove that the job can be done in a satisfactory manner for a much lower wage and benefit package.

What benefits at Ground? But I agree that if Ground continues to eat away at UPS's market share then UPS's profits will shrink and possibly disappear. How will they then pay the high pay and great benefits? Bottom line, Ground ruins things for everyone except those that benefit from Ground's profits(from the employee's view. Great for the customers).

 

[NYCFXG]

What benefits at Ground? But I agree that if Ground continues to eat away at UPS's market share then UPS's profits will shrink and possibly disappear. How will they then pay the high pay and great benefits? Bottom line, Ground ruins things for everyone except those that benefit from Ground's profits(from the employee's view. Great for the customers).

This is a really accurate point to make. There are two groups the system is advantageous for: Fedex and the customer. However, if Fedex ran ground at the same profit margins as UPS (charge the customers less to ship) they would be undercutting the rest of the market. They would likely gain market share faster than us contractors could handle and inevitably hurt their overall business.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

This is a really accurate point to make. There are two groups the system is advantageous for: Fedex and the customer. However, if Fedex ran ground at the same profit margins as UPS (charge the customers less to ship) they would be undercutting the rest of the market. They would likely gain market share faster than us contractors could handle and inevitably hurt their overall business.

Ground takes our rate chart and cuts 10% off the top before offering any discounts.

 

[bbsam]

Ground takes our rate chart and cuts 10% off the top before offering any discounts.

If that were the case, we'd have 90% of Amazon.

 

[Cactus]

So what good is it to the customers when the Ground trailer gets over turned and flips over in ditch because the driver got distracted reaching for a dip of Skoal?

 

[bbsam]

So what good is it to the customers when the Ground trailer gets over turned and flips over in ditch because the driver got distracted reaching for a dip of Skoal?

Ask the customers. Fact is, the vast majority will tell you that "who" delivers it, what color the truck was, whether or not the bulkhead door was open, and if the driver had tattoos or not, means very little to them. Did it get there on time and not damaged? That's the metric people use when ordering. Shippers add cost into the equation but little else.

 

[Cactus]

Ask the customers. Fact is, the vast majority will tell you that "who" delivers it, what color the truck was, whether or not the bulkhead door was open, and if the driver had tattoos or not, means very little to them. Did it get there on time and not damaged? That's the metric people use when ordering. Shippers add cost into the equation but little else.

How about was the package left at the correct address, was it released with a proper release, did the driver refrain from flipping off the security camera, tearing up the lawn and taking a wizz on their property? Chances are if the answer is no to any of these, they'll think FedEx Ground.

 

[bbsam]

How about was the package left at the correct address, was it released with a proper release, did the driver refrain from flipping off the security camera, tearing up the lawn and taking a wizz on their property? Chances are if the answer is no to any of these, they'll think FedEx Ground.

Again, if it were 50%, 35%, even 10% of the customers who had those objections to Ground, would we be growing? Would we be profitable? Sustainable? Of course not. You use these horror stories to justify your hatred of Ground. That's fine for a personal opinion. It's foolish if you're using it to predict Ground's ultimate failure.

 

[TUT]

Ground takes our rate chart and cuts 10% off the top before offering any discounts.

The list rate sheets are the same for UPS and Fedex Ground. They are both downloadable at your respective sites, to confirm. It's been that way for a very long time.

 

[Cactus]

Again, if it were 50%, 35%, even 10% of the customers who had those objections to Ground, would we be growing? Would we be profitable? Sustainable? Of course not. You use these horror stories to justify your hatred of Ground. That's fine for a personal opinion. It's foolish if you're using it to predict Ground's ultimate failure.

Ground is profitable off the backs of Express that Smith stepped on so he could establish Ground's infrastructure. Also profitable and sustainable because of the crappy wages and near zero benefits the drivers receive. If you think Ground is all that and a bag of potato chips because customers love the company you're only BSing yourself.

 

[bbsam]

Ground is profitable off the backs of Express that Smith stepped on so he could establish Ground's infrastructure. Also profitable and sustainable because of the crappy wages and near zero benefits the drivers receive. If you think Ground is all that and a bag of potato chips because customers love the company you're only BSing yourself.

Love the company? Absolutely not. The point is they don't "love" UPS either. The companies are a way people get their stuff. That's all.

 

[Code 82 Approved]

So what good is it to the customers when the Ground trailer gets over turned and flips over in ditch because the driver got distracted reaching for a dip of Skoal?

Skoal is too expensive, us Ground guys can only afford Rooster or Grizzly.

 

[STFXG]

Skoal is too expensive, us Ground guys can only afford Rooster or Grizzly.

Redman gold.

 

[burrheadd]

Skoal is too expensive, us Ground guys can only afford Rooster or Grizzly.

They still sell Rooster haven't seen it in a long time in these parts

 

[vantexan]

Ground is profitable off the backs of Express that Smith stepped on so he could establish Ground's infrastructure. Also profitable and sustainable because of the crappy wages and near zero benefits the drivers receive. If you think Ground is all that and a bag of potato chips because customers love the company you're only BSing yourself.

Some day in the not too distant future, there won't be any topped out old timers who'll remember the old FedEx. FedEx will be just another company to work for that pays better than McDonald's, and has to with all the demands of the job. They'll have high turnover but most employees will be below say $22hr, so they'll deal with the costs. Express will be much smaller too as most people try to use Ground if possible. Employees won't complain about takeaways because there won't be any perks left. To save money FedEx shifted all employees to the gov't healthcare plan, and now the only retirement offered will be the 401k. Heck, they might require an application fee when you apply for a job with them. Probably no more transfers, no more 5th week of vacation after 20 years, maybe eliminate the 4th week too, hourly only. Did I forget anything?

 

[whenIgetthere]

Some day in the not too distant future, there won't be any topped out old timers who'll remember the old FedEx. FedEx will be just another company to work for that pays better than McDonald's, and has to with all the demands of the job. They'll have high turnover but most employees will be below say $22hr, so they'll deal with the costs. Express will be much smaller too as most people try to use Ground if possible. Employees won't complain about takeaways because there won't be any perks left. To save money FedEx shifted all employees to the gov't healthcare plan, and now the only retirement offered will be the 401k. Heck, they might require an application fee when you apply for a job with them. Probably no more transfers, no more 5th week of vacation after 20 years, maybe eliminate the 4th week too, hourly only. Did I forget anything?

Yes you did, what about the Splish Splash discount?

 

[Cactus]

And no more free employee parking.

 

[BigTex61]

Some day in the not too distant future, there won't be any topped out old timers who'll remember the old FedEx. FedEx will be just another company to work for that pays better than McDonald's, and has to with all the demands of the job. They'll have high turnover but most employees will be below say $22hr, so they'll deal with the costs. Express will be much smaller too as most people try to use Ground if possible. Employees won't complain about takeaways because there won't be any perks left. To save money FedEx shifted all employees to the gov't healthcare plan, and now the only retirement offered will be the 401k. Heck, they might require an application fee when you apply for a job with them. Probably no more transfers, no more 5th week of vacation after 20 years, maybe eliminate the 4th week too, hourly only. Did I forget anything?

This is probably pretty darn accurate.