Re: best contract?!
Aint that the truth. See it now with most of the stewards on Brown Cafe.
frivolous petty small.
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This reminds me of the humancentipad episode of South Park.
Re: best contract?!
So should we be like everyone else and assume it sucks before we know what is in it ?
So should we be like everyone else and assume it sucks before we know what is in it ?
Re: best contract?!
Perhaps we should wait and actually see all the details of whats in it before we decide how we are going to vote. There are still some Locals working out their Supplements, I imagine that and the lawyers converting the wording into confusing language that will be used against us is the reason nothing officially has been published yet. There is still an official brownout of info to the best of my knowledge. I haven't seen anything that says everybody will be thrown into Central States Healthcare, it there are no co-pays for current members that would suggest major changes right there.
Perhaps we should wait and actually see all the details of whats in it before we decide how we are going to vote. There are still some Locals working out their Supplements, I imagine that and the lawyers converting the wording into confusing language that will be used against us is the reason nothing officially has been published yet. There is still an official brownout of info to the best of my knowledge. I haven't seen anything that says everybody will be thrown into Central States Healthcare, it there are no co-pays for current members that would suggest major changes right there.
Re: best contract?!
That would probably be the better course of action. If UPS is giving something up, what are they getting in return and is it worth it to the membership? Mr. Hall did not walk in one day, make the UPS brass wet themselves and walk out smelling like roses. And then when every union steward on here starts the cheerleading, it's time for people to be suspicious.
That would probably be the better course of action. If UPS is giving something up, what are they getting in return and is it worth it to the membership? Mr. Hall did not walk in one day, make the UPS brass wet themselves and walk out smelling like roses. And then when every union steward on here starts the cheerleading, it's time for people to be suspicious.
GameCockFan
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I received a copy from my local in the mail. Pretty much says what was posted here. Pt starting pay $10 unskilled $11 skilled. $3.90 over 4 years for full time. No mention of longer progression.
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ocnewguy
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PoeCrosley
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Re: Concessions with record profits?????? are u serious hoffa and Hall?
My, my...such harsh rhetoric. Go back and read my original post junior. As long as you think UPS profits in the billions based "solely" on the work of the rank and file, you will never be satisfied with this or any contract. I'll say it again,.... invest if you want to share in the profits. One share a week? Why not. You probably aren't old enough to remember the "Thrift Plan" days are you Junior. Six bucks a week max investment and I know drivers who walked away with six digits. Time and compounding interest ..it's a beautiful thing. Do I think the part time starting wage is too low...yep. Sounds like that was addressed in the new agreement. Do I think the drivers deserve a raise... absolutely... especially the productive ones. A fair days work for a fair days pay. Oh $30 plus and amazing health insurance coverage must not be fair enough. Pleeeeez
Holy! Buy stock? That's perfect! I'll be sure to tell all the rookies who just made probation to buy up UPS stock, and to stop whining about their paltry wages. "Want more money? Buy UPS stock!", I'll tell them. I mean at $9.50 an hour, and at about 20hrs a week, that'll get them what? 1 share a week? Not bad. And it'll even leave them around $70 for the week to spend on gas, food, bills and you know...other luxuries!
Wish I had thought of that...<jerkoff motion>
No one is saying we want a 72% raise ala Scott Davis, you people. Hell, no one believes we're deserving of it. But signing off on a contract that mirrors the last, even with the knowledge that the company profited in the BILLIONS because of OUR work, is friend'ing stupid.
If you vote "yes" on this deal, you're accepting the bare minimum, while squandering all our bargaining power. And for 5 years. 5 YEARS! And what happens if the next 5 years aren't as kind? If UPS is offering a lateral proposal when they're profiting in the BILLIONS for nearly a decade, what will they give us when the company is LOSING MONEY?
Use your damn heads.
My, my...such harsh rhetoric. Go back and read my original post junior. As long as you think UPS profits in the billions based "solely" on the work of the rank and file, you will never be satisfied with this or any contract. I'll say it again,.... invest if you want to share in the profits. One share a week? Why not. You probably aren't old enough to remember the "Thrift Plan" days are you Junior. Six bucks a week max investment and I know drivers who walked away with six digits. Time and compounding interest ..it's a beautiful thing. Do I think the part time starting wage is too low...yep. Sounds like that was addressed in the new agreement. Do I think the drivers deserve a raise... absolutely... especially the productive ones. A fair days work for a fair days pay. Oh $30 plus and amazing health insurance coverage must not be fair enough. Pleeeeez
twoweeled
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Re: Concessions with record profits?????? are u serious hoffa and Hall?
Of course these are all just opinions here, but I see this far from being a stunning victory for us. Maybe for the company, but not for us. Consider we have heard of nothing, but the good stuff! Who knows when the bad is revealing itself! Even the good, isn't enough for me to rave about. No, the stunning victory appears to be more for the company, than us.
Of course these are all just opinions here, but I see this far from being a stunning victory for us. Maybe for the company, but not for us. Consider we have heard of nothing, but the good stuff! Who knows when the bad is revealing itself! Even the good, isn't enough for me to rave about. No, the stunning victory appears to be more for the company, than us.
twoweeled
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It continues to baffle me, that I have heard no one else voice any concern over the ability to discipline from electronics. Brothers, if the company gains the ability to discipline from electronics, WE WILL BE DROPPING LIKE FLIES!! They will be firing drivers like there is no tomorrow. Sure many of them will be the typical 2-3 months off, and the offer to return to work with NO backpay. Then the local boasting how they got your job back, while you lose 15K - 20K. I hope we didn't give up the electronic discipline ability!!
