the workers. but the point is they democratically voted to do that; they had a say in the decisions which shape their lives.
I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism
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well thats why consensus would be good. but anyways thats a problem with democracy is that not everyone agrees.
the alternative to capitalism - socialist cooperatives
Cooperatives 4.0 – a ‘fair trade' alternative to the exploitative gig economy?
"This (economic) model, in which decisions are made collaboratively and, often through consensus,"
“This is not, of course, about some sort of technology. What it’s really about is a change of mindset, towards mutualism, cooperativsim,” says Scholz. And an economy in which workers, not venture capitalists, are in control.
Cooperatives 4.0 – a ‘fair trade' alternative to the exploitative gig economy?
"This (economic) model, in which decisions are made collaboratively and, often through consensus,"
“This is not, of course, about some sort of technology. What it’s really about is a change of mindset, towards mutualism, cooperativsim,” says Scholz. And an economy in which workers, not venture capitalists, are in control.
Pope Francis: Rich People Who Exploit The Poor Are 'Bloodsuckers'
Pope Francis isn’t mincing words in his latest denouncement of those who exploit the poor.
The pontiff was in his element during a passionate sermon at the Vatican on Thursday, berating rich employers who hire and fire poor people with callous disregard for their workers’ wellbeing, and who refuse to give their employees health care, pensions, or vacations.
He called people who take advantage of the poor in this way “true bloodsuckers” who “live by spilling the blood of the people who they make slaves of labor.”
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Pope Francis has often spoken up about the “idolatry of money“ and the evils of economic systems that treats people like commodities.
In the end, Francis left his listeners with a poignant metaphor about the importance of helping others:
“A glass of water in the name of Christ is more important than all the riches accumulated through the exploitation of the people.”
Pope Francis isn’t mincing words in his latest denouncement of those who exploit the poor.
The pontiff was in his element during a passionate sermon at the Vatican on Thursday, berating rich employers who hire and fire poor people with callous disregard for their workers’ wellbeing, and who refuse to give their employees health care, pensions, or vacations.
He called people who take advantage of the poor in this way “true bloodsuckers” who “live by spilling the blood of the people who they make slaves of labor.”
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Pope Francis has often spoken up about the “idolatry of money“ and the evils of economic systems that treats people like commodities.
In the end, Francis left his listeners with a poignant metaphor about the importance of helping others:
“A glass of water in the name of Christ is more important than all the riches accumulated through the exploitation of the people.”
"You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us..."
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...lennials-Reject-Capitalism-20160426-0054.html
"According to a recent survey conducted by Harvard University, 51 percent of respondents between the ages of 18 and 29 do not support capitalism."
"In a related survey conducted among people of all ages, older people in the U.S. are also hesitant about capitalism. Only among respondents who are at least 50-years-old are the majority in support of capitalism."
lets hope we get the revolution right this time and dont give the power to the government
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us..."
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...lennials-Reject-Capitalism-20160426-0054.html
"According to a recent survey conducted by Harvard University, 51 percent of respondents between the ages of 18 and 29 do not support capitalism."
"In a related survey conducted among people of all ages, older people in the U.S. are also hesitant about capitalism. Only among respondents who are at least 50-years-old are the majority in support of capitalism."
lets hope we get the revolution right this time and dont give the power to the government
oldngray
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Amid its Failures, Latin America is Rejecting Socialism
Jason Hopkins - Amid its Failures, Latin America is Rejecting Socialism
Jason Hopkins - Amid its Failures, Latin America is Rejecting Socialism
brazil just endured a coup. hardly democratic
Working Collectively Beats Working for a Boss
a great article on cooperatives aka democracy at work, the alternative to capitalism
"Cooperative enterprises are more stable than conventional capitalist enterprises, are more productive and create jobs that are more sustainable. And although the temptation to see coops as a magical solution to the ills of capitalism should be resisted, that they are better for workers than top-down enterprises shouldn’t be any surprise."
"Why wouldn’t we be more productive if we were working for ourselves and had a say in the running of the business rather than toiling within the traditional concept of having to accept orders from above by people who have no interest other than squeezing as much out of you as possible?"
italy relatively killing it with the cooperatives. i remember hearing after world war II, the governments of the americans and the brits rolled in italy and were appalled that large portions of the italian economy were not capitalist anymore, and run cooperatively.:
"the French and Italian governments provide support for cooperatives and this accounts for the relatively higher number of coops in those two countries. The Co-operatives UK report estimates Italy has at least 25,000 coops, France has 2,600 and Spain has 17,000, compared to only 500 to 600 in Britain"
a great article on cooperatives aka democracy at work, the alternative to capitalism
"Cooperative enterprises are more stable than conventional capitalist enterprises, are more productive and create jobs that are more sustainable. And although the temptation to see coops as a magical solution to the ills of capitalism should be resisted, that they are better for workers than top-down enterprises shouldn’t be any surprise."
"Why wouldn’t we be more productive if we were working for ourselves and had a say in the running of the business rather than toiling within the traditional concept of having to accept orders from above by people who have no interest other than squeezing as much out of you as possible?"
italy relatively killing it with the cooperatives. i remember hearing after world war II, the governments of the americans and the brits rolled in italy and were appalled that large portions of the italian economy were not capitalist anymore, and run cooperatively.:
"the French and Italian governments provide support for cooperatives and this accounts for the relatively higher number of coops in those two countries. The Co-operatives UK report estimates Italy has at least 25,000 coops, France has 2,600 and Spain has 17,000, compared to only 500 to 600 in Britain"
sweden doing it big.
Updates on victories (1) over US sugar industry and (2) in reducing Sweden's 40-hour workweek to 30 hours with no pay cut. Major analyses of jobs moving south, legal fight over tax exemption for religions, corporate bailouts in Michigan, excess Corp borrowing, and capitalist technology serving profits not people
Updates on victories (1) over US sugar industry and (2) in reducing Sweden's 40-hour workweek to 30 hours with no pay cut. Major analyses of jobs moving south, legal fight over tax exemption for religions, corporate bailouts in Michigan, excess Corp borrowing, and capitalist technology serving profits not people
newfie
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in America the workers vote. if not happy with the job they find a better one. its a wonderful thing.
a choice of dictatorships is not democratic. but hey it could be worse
richard wolff is one of the top advocates for worker cooperatives and getting rid of capitalism.
in the first 30 minutes he talks about:
a bloomberg article in which 99% of all new jobs created since 2010 has gone to people with college degrees. a majority of the us population does not have college degrees. he also mentioned a time he was in starbucks and a girl walked in to apply for a coffee counter job, and the guy said to her we can only hire you if you have a B.A...even bloomberg is beginning to admit there has been no recovery for significant portions of the US population.
the colonization of puerto rico including them losing control to govern themselves, it will now be handled by a committee in washington. puerto rico has a 11% sales tax lol.
and the republican national convention being held in cleveland. it will be hosted in a small new section of the city, so the cameras do not film the deindustrialized
hole cleveland has become. he mentioned the poverty rate in cleveland is 33%, and the average family income is $27,000...thats hardly enough for 1 person let alone a family.
in the first 30 minutes he talks about:
a bloomberg article in which 99% of all new jobs created since 2010 has gone to people with college degrees. a majority of the us population does not have college degrees. he also mentioned a time he was in starbucks and a girl walked in to apply for a coffee counter job, and the guy said to her we can only hire you if you have a B.A...even bloomberg is beginning to admit there has been no recovery for significant portions of the US population.
the colonization of puerto rico including them losing control to govern themselves, it will now be handled by a committee in washington. puerto rico has a 11% sales tax lol.
and the republican national convention being held in cleveland. it will be hosted in a small new section of the city, so the cameras do not film the deindustrialized
hole cleveland has become. he mentioned the poverty rate in cleveland is 33%, and the average family income is $27,000...thats hardly enough for 1 person let alone a family.chomsky talks about how the economy actually works: so for example bail outs for the rich, and markets and bankruptcy for everyone else. reguatory capture. a shifting of tax burdens from the rich, onto everyone else. talks about american history a bit too.
a documentary has been made on inequality and noam chomsky: the american socrates of our day. its called requiem for the american dream and you can watch it on www.disclose.tv.
a documentary has been made on inequality and noam chomsky: the american socrates of our day. its called requiem for the american dream and you can watch it on www.disclose.tv.
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newfie
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the last time I checked a dictatorship only provided you with one choice.
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