I was ready to post tonight about how IE etc. must have learned from other messes at centers, but I can't. We started on pas yesterday. I had a rider with me, taking notes (he was real nice and real good). My route was an absolute mess, it's at least 85% residential, alot of circles, cul de sacs, not at all on any kind of grid, all named streets. We went in circles all day, went back to areas we had already delivered in, skipped streets then went back to them. Then we spent an hour with the IE guys showing them all the changes that need to be made. He said "It looks like we are relooping your whole route." Well that was what needed to be done. I can't believe they even looked at a map when they looped it, you can see on a map all the mistakes. No rider today, I showed one FT sup how my first few stops were set up and asked if I should run it like that. He said no I wouldn't, take notes and bring them back. So I spent about 20 minutes during the day, and started with stop 1 and did 9 pages stop by stop street by street, how the circles break in on the through streets etc. When I gave it to the IE guy tonight he said (-------- and ------- ) Our two ft supes, said to leave it the way it is. Why would anybody want to leave it in the mess it is, don't they trust me, or the guy who was with me, do they just not care? I told them if they don't care I sure don't, I'll just do it stop by stop the way it's in my board. I just don't get it, this is insane!!!