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And, it's only a matter of time before people snap.
Obama Wins - Unionizing Fed Ex
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And, it's only a matter of time before people snap.
dannyboy
From the promised LAND
really? and what do you call the banking bailout?
we have a local bank here. did not get into making the bad loans that made so many bankers rich as hell over the last 20 years. they have been told to take the bail out money. they said, dont need it. feds said, take it or when you do want help, you wont get it.
that means no fdic insurance for the bank, that also means no intra day borrowing of funds from the fed, and on and on. so the bank takes the bailout.
now the gooberment has its hands on the free flow of cash, and can decide on who needs it more, and who "deserves it".
i do believe thommy j had it right.
we have given up our freedoms in the name of security, and the ones in charge have created a financial mess that only they can fix? by taking over the banks?
give me a break.
as far as leveling the playing field with fedex, it is a shame ups has to play footsie with the teamsters to take on fedex. but the lack of innovative leadership at the top has really cost a bundle in lost business.
705 and the rest, how would you explain the throwing of the part time dues paying union worker under the bus so the full time people can get a larger raise?
and how would you assure them(fedex) that they would not also be thrown under the bus in contract talks? after all, the teamsters has a track record......
as far as the teamsters salivating at the prospect of being able to use the gooberment to force fedex into allowing the union in, why not. all they want is the power they seek. that is what they want, power for themselves. and if they can get some money for the working stiff, well that is a by product.
if the teamsters had to give back 12 bucks an hour on our next contract to stay in power, they would in a heartbeat.
as far as the fly eastern, read the book nuts!
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705red
Browncafe Steward
dannyboy
From the promised LAND
then why has the part time start wage not gone up in the last few contracts? and you wonder why it is almost impossible to get the guy to join the union as a new employee.
and you also know that if you dont get them comming in, it is really hard to get them to join later on.
so it is a two way street.
of course that is assuming the employee has free choice to choose to belong or not?
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and you also know that if you dont get them comming in, it is really hard to get them to join later on.
so it is a two way street.
of course that is assuming the employee has free choice to choose to belong or not?
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But Benefits Are Great!
Just Words On A Screen
My opinion only - The reason UPS still had applicants for the PT Loader/Unloader was NEVER the $8.50/hour, which is a joke. It was the benefits they would get after 3 months.
Now it takes a year to get benefits. For someone making $8.50/hour, a year=forever=too long
PT's LOST GROUND with the last Union Contract.
brownmonster
Man of Great Wisdom
We still seem to get quality part timers. Gang warfare can be entertaining as long as you don't get caught in the crossfire.
705red
Browncafe Steward
Danny i agree that the starting wage is embarassing and should have been addressed. We here attempted to better what the national left unchanged. While we were able to better alot of our language the wages we had to swallow. But we did gain an extra optional day for all the employees starting this year, which the company was refusing to give us. This helps to swallow the split raises but does not help the starting wage.
The last time the starting wage was raised was the 97 strike. This is also the same contract that created 22.3 jobs. This is the last time on the national level that we had a teamster leader who actually cared about the members unlike hoffa jr.
But remember if the ptimers would ever care enough to vote us ftimers would have to eat their contract until they care or we get a new teamster president that cares.
dannyboy
From the promised LAND
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i agree, hoffa is only interested in power and money. right now, he has the power to hurt the economy very badly by calling a strike just at ups. with dhl biting the dust, and fedex in their sights, what type of damage would happen if he shut down all teamster businesses?
seems like i remember that happening during or before the war in the coal industry?
with this type of power in the hands of a crook, one that is not fairly elected (try mounting a campaign against him, got good life insurance?) by the american public, he has the power to bring our economy down to its knees?
now, we at ups are the largest single block of teamsters. with fedex, we should still be. but will we still be what the teamsters spend a great deal of time and effort getting better contracts? or will we end up with a stagnant contract with possible give backs to make our wages and theirs more even?
I believe what you will see is the same ponzi scheme the gooberment has on social security. only new money will keep the retirement afloat.
i guess you can tell, i would just about trust ups more than i would the teamsters. at least with hoffa at the helm.
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i agree, hoffa is only interested in power and money. right now, he has the power to hurt the economy very badly by calling a strike just at ups. with dhl biting the dust, and fedex in their sights, what type of damage would happen if he shut down all teamster businesses?
seems like i remember that happening during or before the war in the coal industry?
with this type of power in the hands of a crook, one that is not fairly elected (try mounting a campaign against him, got good life insurance?) by the american public, he has the power to bring our economy down to its knees?
now, we at ups are the largest single block of teamsters. with fedex, we should still be. but will we still be what the teamsters spend a great deal of time and effort getting better contracts? or will we end up with a stagnant contract with possible give backs to make our wages and theirs more even?
I believe what you will see is the same ponzi scheme the gooberment has on social security. only new money will keep the retirement afloat.
i guess you can tell, i would just about trust ups more than i would the teamsters. at least with hoffa at the helm.
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MrFedEx
Engorged Member
Where is Hoffa (the second one) anyway? If the Teamsters have a plan, they aren't letting any of us over here at FedEx know about it. Or is Hoffa waiting for the Obama adminstration to take the reigns of power before he makes a move? Or are they going to screw it all up and blow it for us again like they did in 1996?
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705red
Browncafe Steward
I am not a Hoffa fan at all, he has been a big disappointment, bigger than some predicted he would have been. However it seems his best interest as president is to side with the companies rather than the dues paying members!
Everyone remember when he first ran? No teamster official would make more than $150,000 a year because its just wrong to earn that much money representing hard working middle class Americans (Canadians for ds). He sold us at ups on split raises at 35 cents this year, while taking a cost of living raise that was far more than the raise we received. He is now making over $400,000 and for what?
Hoffa doesn't have the stones to take any other companies out on strike! Look what a disaster overnite turned into! And who suffered for that? We did as upsers! we excepted split raises and allowed ups to buy out of the cs plan so that Hoffa could retire (hopefully we vote him out before he retires) saying that it was the Hoffa administration that organized the impossible with a card check agreement at ups freight!
If this is the best hes done and willing to hang his hat on this legacy, i cant wait for his old man to kick the crap out of him in the after life!
Fed i have been out here in the Chicago area half a dozen times organizing at FedEx ground and home delivery barns. Understand that in Chicago we are under separate contracts with all of our members and companies from the national, and believe or not we actually take pride in enforcing our contract language through the grievance procedure.
movelikemolasses
Member
not to upset anyone but do they really need to unionize? I resently had a conversation with a fedex employee and she said that the new hires were starting at 13.50 an hour... now I know that the pay rate is most likely just a local pay rate but considering that my hub is hireing people at 8.80 versus thier 13.50 versus In and Out Burgers 11.00 an hour, I am finding it harder and harder to supporting a union that is doing less and less to Help thier members earn a livable wage
dannyboy
From the promised LAND
whats funny is that same union here cries about the part time work force not jumping at the chance to get into the union. then that same part timer 10 years down the road becomes a driver and still does not belong because of the past treatment by the union. and they cant figure out why they dont kiss their feet everytime they come to the center.
and the part time are the majority?
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and the part time are the majority?
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But Benefits Are Great!
Just Words On A Screen
Most employees that UPS can get now at $8.50/hour and waiting a year for benefits don't even know how to SPELL union, let alone how to be part of one.
(705red, Dannyboy- Now THAT is the way to be condescending - leave no trace of doubt)
(705red, Dannyboy- Now THAT is the way to be condescending - leave no trace of doubt)
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
FedEx Ground starts at about $13 to $14 per hr, with zero benefits, and is generally what the "contractor" is willing to pay you to drive for them. FedEx Express starts at around $14.50 per hour or so depending on the market, with a mediocre benefits package....these folks are actually employees. Both of the above positions are for drivers...I'm not sure what Hub handler rates are. I do know that handlers get very limited hours and that Express Ramp Handlers make more than Ground Handlers. If you stick it out at UPS, someday you'll be making $28 per hour or so on a package car with a real retirement package that you can actually live on when you stop working.
The problem at FedEx is that there is very little wage progression, unlike UPS, where you will eventually be making some serious money with a good benefits package. The FedEx benefits are lousy, and it takes around 10 years to "top-out" in terms of wages. We've been abused in so many different ways that I don't have space to list all of them, but suffice it to say that a union is an absolute necessity at FedEx.
705red
Browncafe Steward
Your right about the starting wages sucking, but if your interested in going full time it doesn't take that long to move up at least in these neck of the woods (before the economy tanking). A ptimer starting at $8.50 can be making $16.10 in a year driving a trk topping out at $32.30, while the FedEx employee moves up to $20 plus an hour.
As a union employee you have rights and are considered a just cause employee versus the at will employee you would be working at FedEx! The difference between the two you ask? FedEx can fire you for almost anything, while the union has spelled out guidelines.
When you do get your medical in a year, you will see it was worth the wait! Ups spends alot of money on these benefits and now your family will receive these in 18 months from hire compared to 36 months from seniority. Big difference in time lengths.
this is not a job(ptime) that you would try and raise a family on or pay a mortgage, its ptime. Many of us worked two and three jobs while ptime to get this opportunity for years, now its yours with little or no time investment on your part. Just my two cents!
