Supervisors running through break and "forgetting" to tell me about my break

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by BruisedLegs, Nov 23, 2010.

  1. BruisedLegs

    BruisedLegs New Member

    I'm sick of this. This has happened in the past as well. Supervisors run through break and tell us they'll give us "individual" break. It happened in the past where I thought they would come and tell me to take my break but I learned my lesson a while ago to always tell them I'm taking my break. I always have to leave my trailer and tell my supervisor I'm taking my 10 mins and they always reply with "are you clean?" I always respond I don't care I'm taking it and just walk away.

    Today I wanted to see if my supervisor would come and tell me to take my break and of course he didn't. The 10 mins is not worth it. I'm getting sick of them lying to me and others.
     
  2. jace1319

    jace1319 New Member

    My best advice is to set your break to a certain time. that way everytime it hits that time you'll take your break. Once the supervisor adjust to that change. he'll know its your break time whether he's busy or not. Plus you are guarantee up to a 10 min break it doesnt necessary have to be 10 mins. just saying..
     
  3. UPSrookie

    UPSrookie New Member

    I use to have that happen to me all the time. In fact it wasn't uncommon for certain sups to tell everyone in their area "Work through Break", and that was the end of it, with only an additional 10min pay at the end. However, it no longer happens and I'll give you some good advice that I guarantee if you follow, will not happen to you again. 1) Go to google and type in your state name followed by labor law (ie. [State] labor law) each state has their own .gov website that deals with labor and unfair treatment. 2) look for what the law says regarding breaks. In my state you are required by law to have a 10min break after 3.5 hours work or else you are entitled 1hr EXTRA pay for each day you work without a break. 3) write the code for the law [ie. Section X.X.X]. 4) The next time they tell you to work through break, work through break and dont say a word. The following day that you show up to work and see your time sheet, circle your time write "+1 hr work of pay for not having a break as required by [State] labor law Section X.X.X]. I guarantee, theyll never cheat you from your break, and by the way dont back down as far as your extra 1hr pay, its The Law. Of course you can talk to your shop steward and so forth, but State law supercedes any union rule, employer rule, etc. The way it works at UPS is that people that dont say anything will always be cheated with their time, be it by taking minutes away from start time, modifying your time when you clock out, working you through break, telling you a start time but then having your clock in time show a later time, and so on.
     
  4. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    Isn't there a pt steward on your shift?
     
  5. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    I can't speak for the preload but I know on the metro they all take their break together. The sup makes an announcement when break starts, gives a two minute warning and then a return to work announcement. There is no confusion and it seems to work well for all involved.
     
  6. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    Here, all the belts turn off for break.
     
  7. Sleeve_meet_Heart

    Sleeve_meet_Heart making the unreadable unreadabler

    Bruised legs,

    File a grievance. Plain and simple, there is language to protect your 10 minute break. It is unethical and illegal, nevermind breaking the contract agreement. However there is no reason to look up labor laws in this case. The grievance, assuming it's worded properly and comprehendable, will be more than enough.

    The 10 minutes IS worth it, maybe not to you, but to your co-workers. Someone needs to stand up to the unethical practices of your management team.
     
  8. grgrcr88

    grgrcr88 No It's not green grocer!


    I agree partly, you should file the grievance and go thru the proper channels for that, but I would also look up your states labor laws. If your state does allow for a 1hr penalty pay for being cheated out of break time, I would include that in your grievace. You are entitled to it and should get the pay. in fact I would go back as far as you can remember and try to get the hour for everyday you were not allowed the break.
     
  9. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    If the break time is not documented either by mgt or by hourlies on the same shift, wouldn't grieving for past missed breaks come down to he said/she said?
     
  10. grgrcr88

    grgrcr88 No It's not green grocer!

    Absolutely, and the hourly would have a whole shift worth of witnesses.
     
  11. Sleeve_meet_Heart

    Sleeve_meet_Heart making the unreadable unreadabler

    Shouldn't our union leadership be well aware of what labor laws are applicable? Sad,a ctually.
     
  12. washington57

    washington57 New Member

    i can't believe this post.

    you get a break at 3 hours no matter what. don't listen to your supervisor if he tries to tell you that you can't take it. just do it. you are entitled to it.
     
  13. fxdwg

    fxdwg Member

    But...what about your business?

    What if a hard point is established that (say 10:00am) is your break time, what is wrong with working through it and taking it later/earlier depending upon conditions?

    I guess that is the classic Labor/Management question at UPS and other represented companies.

    Is there no flexibility from Labor on trivial items like 10 minutes? (The assumption here is that the relationship with mgmt. is good---not: I took 0.4 minutes to walk to the Break area, so you owe me 0.4 minutes---simple example). I realize that for 80% of the workers, it's no big deal.

    I don't see the big dea eitherl. When I worked there, I did my job, was happy most of the time and went with the flow. No big deal.
     
  14. grgrcr88

    grgrcr88 No It's not green grocer!

    Are you saying that I should know the state labor laws for every state in the country? Or that some other Union leader should know them for every state? If your trying to say he should not include the labor laws in the grievance then what should he put? If he is trying to prove something other than what the contract says he should absolutely include the documentation to back it up. I really hope you don't represent people!!
     
  15. UPSrookie

    UPSrookie New Member

     
  16. washington57

    washington57 New Member

    Why do part-timers care so much? They are treated like dirt and then feel bad about taking their break? c'mon. Take your break, it's in your contract. It is one of few things keeping the part-timers from being straight up slave labor.
     
  17. Sleeve_meet_Heart

    Sleeve_meet_Heart making the unreadable unreadabler

    You read way more into that than intended. What I am saying is, if the employee wants to file a grievance, it should be the unions job as representatives to find which applicable labor law follows or reinforces the nature of the grievance. Why are we paying dues? Why should one employee be forced to do all the legwork off-the-clock on a clear cut case? Is that what the Teamsters are really all about?

    Also, this is not just one person (apparently) losing their break. It's a sort that continues running. That's a big problem that needs to be addressed.

    Nowhere did I say or even come close to implying that each local office should know every law for every state, that's asinine and not even close.
     
  18. UPSSOCKS

    UPSSOCKS Well-Known Member

    WAIT a second. If your local entitles you to a break then you get one. End of Story. Some locals agreements don't have a break in them, I'm sure some of you part time employees on here don't have a break in your local agreement. Here's where you are wrong. It is up to your supervisor when you take break. You are not capable or privelaged to decide your own break. The first time you did it I would warn you with the union steward and the second time you took a break without asking I would terminate you for Gross Insubordination, and sabotage.
     
  19. packageguy

    packageguy Well-Known Member

    find a steward, let him know what's happening. You should be paid for your break
     
  20. BruisedLegs

    BruisedLegs New Member

    1)Local entitles us to a break
    2)My point was if it's up to my supervisor to tell me when I can take a break and he's not telling me, that's a problem.