The Hoffa-Hall Record at UPS

jimstud

Banned
I'm saying a union employee is covered by a legally binding bargaining agreement as well as ERISA. They can't reduce or negatively modify your pension any more than they can take your wages if it's covered by a bargaining agreement. Management has no bargaining agreement or employment contract. As long as it's not illegal, management benefits, pension and pay can be modified as the company sees fit.

This is exactly the hype and mis-information that fooled the Teamster represented employees into screwing themselves out of a good deal.
again i call bull. all the contract says is how much per hour has to put into the pension fund not how much per year you will recieve when you retire. i still maintain that the big brown machine would screw the hourlies a lot more than the management team.
 
Given what has happened in '97, both FDX and USPS knew what was coming, yet they did not have the resources to handle the extra volume . A strike of just a few days would cripple every shipper.
{ the first time the USPS made a profit was because of the strike in '78, but it took them several weeks to get their operations up to speed, mandatory 10 hr days for all }.

Fdx Ground was not up and running in '97! I see you neglected to respond to the fact that 30million people are technically unemployed and would love to have your job.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Fdx Ground was not up and running in '97! I see you neglected to respond to the fact that 30million people are technically unemployed and would love to have your job.
Unfortunately only a few are qualified to actually do my job.
And only two companies from '97 are still around and only one actually makes a profit.
 
With all of the technological advances since '97, to include PAS/EDD, it would be much easier to replace us.

What world do you live in? If you followed EDD on my route you would be out for 15+ hours easily. Just because the company has technology doesn't mean that its optimized or more efficient, it's the drivers that are efficient and optimized. The only thing they did was spend a ton of money to track people all day to catch a very small percentage of bad apple drivers -- a lot of money wasted IMO.

If there were another strike in the near future it would be an exact repeat of 97. The volume would back up so far they would never be able to handle it -- even if they hired a bunch of mexicans to work 20 hour days. Oh and we all know management could never get the work done, that's why they are in management. I'll never forget the line in 97, watching the managers try to take trips out, what a hysterical event.
 
Don't you get it, if a strike happened shippers would divert volume to FDX and USPS. It may get there a little later than normal but it will get there .You think anyone cares about the teamsters working at Ups except the teamsters? I read an article this morning that if you include those unemployed, those who have given up looking for work and those working part time that want to work full time, that is 30 million people. Bet they would love to have a high paying job at UPS.

Get real. This is America -- home of the fat and lazy. Very few people will work 12 hr days in a truck in the dead of winter and summer. I don't know anyone outside of current and past UPSers who would trade jobs with me if it were possible. I know so many people in real life that make 2x-5x what I make at UPS for doing a lot less work. Right now the attitude in this country is still 9-5, nobody wants a job like this. According to my memory recent articles about UPS driving jobs back me up on that -- UPS is having a tough time filling in the slots left by retirees with the new generation of workers...they don't want to work hard for their keep.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Anybody recall that thread last winter or so; where UPS had to start a school for new drivers. They actually had to teach them how to properly fall, and how to walk on ice covered walkways ( in a safety harness ).
 

Hawaii50

Well-Known Member
Don't you get it, if a strike happened shippers would divert volume to FDX and USPS. It may get there a little later than normal but it will get there .You think anyone cares about the teamsters working at Ups except the teamsters? I read an article this morning that if you include those unemployed, those who have given up looking for work and those working part time that want to work full time, that is 30 million people. Bet they would love to have a high paying job at UPS.

UPS is high paying. It take years to get that high pay. Off the street you start at 8.50. Those 30 million would be better off trying something else besides UPS. They have a better chance of finding a better job that will pay more with less stress on the mind and body then attempting to drive at UPS. FYI If any one of those 30 million got hired they still would be working part time at 8.50/hour. That does'nt sound to appealing to me if I was one of those 30 million. The turnover rate is high at UPS. Especiallly if you're touching 3000 packages in 3.5 to 4 hours. Do you really think some Joe off the street is going to stick around for 8.5 an hour and unload 3000 packages. As soon as something better comes along Joe is going to jump!
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
I didn't know where to post this......





Teamsters Urge Congress to Stand Up to FedEx and Pass FAA Reauthorization


2010-09-24 14:36 ET - News Release

Congress Passes Another Three-Month Extension
WASHINGTON, Sept. 24 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Congress has voted to extend the Federal Aviation Administration Reauthorization Bill for another three months, delaying important job creation and safety provisions and a key measure to close the FedEx loophole giving the company special status.
Teamsters General President Jim Hoffa urged Congress to stand up to FedEx, which has been blocking passage of the legislation. The extension, to Dec. 31, was passed by the House and Senate on Thursday.
"Congress must address the issue of fairness when it comes to FedEx's special treatment that allows it to treat its truck drivers as airline workers," Hoffa said.
The two senators from Tennessee, at the behest of Memphis-based FedEx (NYSE: FDX), have been threatening a filibuster to block the provision in the bill closing the FedEx loophole.
"Congress cannot bow to the wishes of one company and hold up this legislation because FedEx wants to keep its special status," said Teamsters Package Division Director and International Vice President hall.
The Express Carrier Employee Protection Act in the FAA Reauthorization Bill will end the special treatment that FedEx lobbyists won in 1996. The measure would establish one set of rules for all package delivery companies. The provision is in the House-passed version of the FAA Reauthorization Bill, which also includes important safety measures for the traveling public and the industry, and would create more than 125,000 new jobs each year.
FedEx Express is the only freight and package delivery company in the United States allowed to classify truck drivers, sorters, loaders and unloaders as airline workers. More than 90,000 FedEx Express employees who never even touch an airplane are treated as airline workers under the Railway Labor Act. Truck drivers, sorters, loaders and unloaders at small businesses, UPS and every other freight and package delivery company in the United States are under the National Labor Relations Act.
Founded in 1903, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters represents 1.4 million hardworking men and women throughout the United States, Canada and Puerto Rico, including 250,000 workers at UPS.




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bluehdmc

Well-Known Member
This is probably a move to delay the Reauthorization Bill until after the elections in the hope that more Republicans get elected and they can squash it for another XX# of years. I guess Fedex has better lobbyists.
 

22.34life

Well-Known Member
Don't you get it, if a strike happened shippers would divert volume to FDX and USPS. It may get there a little later than normal but it will get there .You think anyone cares about the teamsters working at Ups except the teamsters? I read an article this morning that if you include those unemployed, those who have given up looking for work and those working part time that want to work full time, that is 30 million people. Bet they would love to have a high paying job at UPS.
only it wouldnt be high paying if the teamsters were out and ups had total control
 

ddomino

Well-Known Member
EDD is only as good as the humans who created it, or those who implement it daily make it. My load is never 100% or even close. When they add work no one looks to see if it will fit where it is SPA'ed to. Hazmat pkgs, over 70, large, and almost all incompatibles go on the floor. These systems work because the drivers make them work every day.

When implemented several years ago, we were paid to come in and work on the loop and dol. Now they want us to do all the fine tuning on our own time. Even drivers who have done this are sick and tired because they didn't make the changes in all the "plans" so some days it goes back to the old way anyway. These days it is those plans being used more often than not so any changes aren't there anyway.

Anyone under the belief that UPS, by way of forcing the pension issue, forced the strike in 97. I think this is possible, but not sure it is why things went the way they did. With the strike and lost revenue they were then able to dump any unprofitable discounted volume to increase profitability. I believe the residential charges came into effect not long after strike. Within two years they had an IPO worth billions.

Just a thought...........................
 

UPS Lifer

Well-Known Member
The strike of 97, basically shut down the economy for those few weeks.
I'm all for repeating that.

Sooooo - This current economy is in a very fragile state of teetering balance (which it was not in '97). I am very surprised at your perception that using the "s" word somehow makes you think it will enhance your position. I am just curious, what kind of concessions do you expect from UPS? With all the people who are out of work, there are substantial amount who would figuratively "cut your throat" for your job. Are you not making enough money? Do you not have enough benefits? Do you not have job security? What are you lacking that you feel it necessary to use the "s" word?

Another thought from the union side..... How long do you think the union will be able to pay strike benefits before going broke? Do you really think that you will get other unions to help fund your strike benefits?

What was the unemployment rate in '97? What do you think will happen now if you try to strike? How much support do you think the rest of the country will give you knowing what you earn and the benefits you receive?

I can tell you right now that you would position other companies especially FDX to permanently take a controlling position in the transportation index. I feel you would be signing your own death warrant along with every retiree who collects a pension. It isn't the Teamsters who fund those pensions. It is UPS. The US economy and the "American Dream" is never going to be what it used to be, so be careful what you expect to get from a union company when your biggest competitor is non-union and is poised for the take-over. You are extremely naive if you think that FDX will be unable to suck up enough volume to make UPS a minor player in the future.
 

UPS Lifer

Well-Known Member
Anybody recall that thread last winter or so; where UPS had to start a school for new drivers. They actually had to teach them how to properly fall, and how to walk on ice covered walkways ( in a safety harness ).

Look who started this post KOB! The article is TDU - They were around when I was a driver and their goal back then was to break UPS. These people are 99% in support of Obama policies. They were a socialist group back then and a wolf in sheep's clothing now. They want to REDISTRIBUTE the wealth. American corporations are bad and need to be taken over by the workers. Remember how that worked in the Soviet Union? "workers unite" .... They united right out of existence. The government can't provide a PROFITABLE post office how do you ever think they will be able to run UPS? They will run it .... right into the ground!

I am surprised Diesel hasn't posted here yet!!!
 
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