2020 Election

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
Yes it was!

ad hominems are a fallacy of relevance where someone rejects or criticizes another person’s view on the basis of personal characteristics, background, physical appearance, or other features irrelevant to the argument at issue.
No it wasn't.

I wasn't rejecting or criticizing your view, because you didn't give a viewpoint. You contribute nothing of relevance to the discussion. You simply ramble about logical fallacies and toss out insults.

Sad old man.
 

bacha29

Well-Known Member
According to reports coming out tonight the Democrats are looking more likely to make a net gain of 40 seats in the house.
As i'm sure many of you have heard the Mueller team has withdrawn the Manafort plea agreement. In their motion to the court they claim to have caught Manafort in so many lies that is credibility is completely gone.
Manafort is playing all angles including the prospect of a presidential pardon.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Dems are promoting two ( one old and one younger ) white guys for 2020.
According to reports coming out tonight the Democrats are looking more likely to make a net gain of 40 seats in the house.
As i'm sure many of you have heard the Mueller team has withdrawn the Manafort plea agreement. In their motion to the court they claim to have caught Manafort in so many lies that is credibility is completely gone.
Manafort is playing all angles including the prospect of a presidential pardon.

Decision expected Tuesday, that could shut down Mueller's entire operation. And possibly sent him and/or his staff to jail.
 

bacha29

Well-Known Member
Dems are promoting two ( one old and one younger ) white guys for 2020.


Decision expected Tuesday, that could shut down Mueller's entire operation. And possibly sent him and/or his staff to jail.
Now that the Flynn indictment has been unsealed that doesn't appear likely because what we have in Mr. Flynn is a man who tried to be both NSA and a secret agent for a foreign government. Even if the judge sends him to jail he's damn lucky that he wasn't charged and convicted of treason.
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
Now that the Flynn indictment has been unsealed that doesn't appear likely because what we have in Mr. Flynn is a man who tried to be both NSA and a secret agent for a foreign government. Even if the judge sends him to jail he's damn lucky that he wasn't charged and convicted of treason.

Dishonor of a good man for political gain.
May you receive the same some day
 

Box Ox

Well-Known Member
Dishonor of a good man for political gain.
May you receive the same some day

The judge's public release tonight of Flynn's 302 is not a good sign for him regarding how it'll go for him tomorrow. Information within it will be a contributing factor in his sentencing, and the judge wanted to give the finger to Flynn's team for their late in the game antics about Flynn not knowing he had to be told not to lie to FBI agents, etc etc.

And, Mueller's sentencing recommendation has changed from:

"a sentence at the low end of the guideline range—including a sentence that does not impose a term of incarceration—is appropriate and warranted."

to, in his response to Flynn's recent memo:

"a sentence at the low end of the guideline range."

We shall see tomorrow.
 

bacha29

Well-Known Member
Dishonor of a good man for political gain.
May you receive the same some day
Good man huh? This so called "good man" was for a short time until Sally Yates caught up with him both the national security adviser with full access to the nation's most highly classified intelligence AND an unregistered secret working in behalf of a foreign autocratic government. You tell me Newf, if that isn't TREASON then just what is?
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
The judge's public release tonight of Flynn's 302 is not a good sign for him regarding how it'll go for him tomorrow. Information within it will be a contributing factor in his sentencing, and the judge wanted to give the finger to Flynn's team for their late in the game antics about Flynn not knowing he had to be told not to lie to FBI agents, etc etc.

And, Mueller's sentencing recommendation has changed from:

"a sentence at the low end of the guideline range—including a sentence that does not impose a term of incarceration—is appropriate and warranted."

to, in his response to Flynn's recent memo:

"a sentence at the low end of the guideline range."

We shall see tomorrow.

There are many irregularities with this case that should disturb us all.

Comey circumvented procedures and back doored Flynn bypassing the established procedure of going through the White House counsel first. that in itself is somewhat dishonest on the part of Comey.

McCabe called Flynn and told him he did not need an attorney for this meeting that in itself was dishonest.

The FBI investigators that spoke with Flynn agreed that Flynn was very forthcoming and was not trying to be evasive nor dishonest when they interviewed him. those notes are now missing from that initial assessment

7 months later the 302 is finally written and that one which you reference is clearly not as complementary to Flynn as the initial 302 would have been that showed Flynn was not lying therefore what happened to the initial 302?

It's clear that at some point Mueller's team talk to Flynn after the initial assessment that Flynn was not lying and then convinced Flynn that he was lying and that there were repercussions that would include Flynn and his son if he did not cooperate and agree that he had been lying.

this case clearly shows that it's okay for the FBI to lie, coerce and intimidate a confession but it's not okay for the interviewee to lie to the FBI there's a double standard here that's not being addressed.
 

newfie

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Good man huh? This so called "good man" was for a short time until Sally Yates caught up with him both the national security adviser with full access to the nation's most highly classified intelligence AND an unregistered secret working in behalf of a foreign autocratic government. You tell me Newf, if that isn't TREASON then just what is?

In plea deals the most serious crime committed is what the plea agreement covers. There is no charge as you state therefore what you state is not factual. Flynn's only crime is lying to the FBI.

To get that charge it is clear the FBI had to lie to Flynn.

The lie being they decieved and coerced.
 
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moreluck

golden ticket member
In plea deals the most serious crime committed is what the plea agreement covers. There is no charge as you state therefore what you state is not factual. Flynn's only crime is lying to the FBI.

To get that charge it is clear the FBI had to lie to Flynn.

The lie being they decieved and coerced.
Maybe they will not sentence Flynn, so a precedent is set for Hillary in the future!!
 
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