Does this mean you're leaving?!
Lol that poll shows 200 percent.
Put down the bone. It says 20%.
No offense BBAG, but you haven't been employed long enough with UPS to have a legitimate voice in this argument. You haven't been with the Union long enough to have an real history, you haven't been with UPS long enough yet to even experience what a management change will do, you haven't had the full UPS experience that you will get with months and months of different circumstances at UPS that will affect your career and form your opinions.
I like you and your attitude, and applaud you for coming to UPS late in the game with lots of previous self-employed experience, and I have no doubt that you will make an excellent driver, but I just don't think some of your comments about the labor action in Chicago are valid without more UPS months behind you. JMHO
If your going to take the time to chime in then either go to our website and look for yourself or read all of the posts. Im not going to keep repeating the issues over and over i have spelled them out in full detail already.Hmm. Uggg.
I completely accept that, because it is coming from a poster I respect. If it were not, I would have a million attempt-to-be-witty comments to make, but I accept your take.
Yes, my UPS experience is nill. My business experience is not, however. As summarized as I can make where I'm coming from;
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In a good economic climate, a strike hurts nobody but the customer, which is bad for business overall. In an economic climate that we are currently in, a strike is bad for everyone - the customer, the company, the employees, and the union. It is not the compnay, not the union, that feeds my kids & buys me $5/gal gasoline - it is the customer.
Labor fights are, for lack of a better term, stupid. Don't like what you are paid? Then quit & see who else pays you the same amount for the same work. When there is a 5 year waiting list for your job, you have it good. I don't give a damn what company you work for.
As a Union you want to strike because you can't come to terms between "Shall" and "Will"???? you then, you don't represent me. If my kids were arguing over such nonsense, I'd send them to their room.
If neither side can put the top 5 items into a list that need fixing, all fitting on one page, and understandable by any common guy like myself, then we are arguing just for the sake of arguing.
I am not anti union. I am not anti-company. I am pro-viding for my family, no matter what it takes.
Labor fights are, for lack of a better term, stupid. Don't like what you are paid? Then quit & see who else pays you the same amount for the same work. When there is a 5 year waiting list for your job, you have it good. I don't give a damn what company you work for.I am not anti union. I am not anti-company.So once one puts in the time to earn that well paying position one should take any crap the employer gives you because now at the top you have it good? I have posted before that I have held 3 pt positions,2 positions in package,and worked my way up the seniority ladder in feeder over 23 years. So when the company wants to take some of the benefits I worked for forgive me if I don`t roll over like a puppy and piddle the floor.
"I am pro-viding for my family, no matter what it takes"
Gosh,whatdya know so am I.
Labor fights are, for lack of a better term, stupid. Don't like what you are paid? Then quit & see who else pays you the same amount for the same work. When there is a 5 year waiting list for your job, you have it good. I don't give a damn what company you work for.So once one puts in the time to earn that well paying position one should take any crap the employer gives you because now at the top you have it good? I have posted before that I have held 3 pt positions,2 positions in package,and worked my way up the seniority ladder in feeder over 23 years. So when the company wants to take some of the benefits I worked for forgive me if I don`t roll over like a puppy and piddle the floor.
As we used to say "That's why you make the big bucks". What are they taking away from YOU that YOU are currently entitled to? I'm seriously asking.
Things change. People change. Interest rates fluctuate. (Bonus points for who can tell me what movie that came from)
I can't speak for everyone but all the FT drivers I've talked to are complaining most about how the part timers keep getting screwed and future package car drivers will get screwed. $8.50 is a joke in the chicago area. The fedex ground pt package handlers have a starting pay of $10/hr. You only have to work at ups what, 1 1/2 years to make what they make starting. IL minimum wage is $7.75 now btw.As we used to say "That's why you make the big bucks". What are they taking away from YOU that YOU are currently entitled to? I'm seriously asking.
I can't speak for everyone but all the FT drivers I've talked to are complaining most about how the part timers keep getting screwed and future package car drivers will get screwed. $8.50 is a joke in the chicago area. The fedex ground pt package handlers have a starting pay of $10/hr. You only have to work at ups what, 1 1/2 years to make what they make starting. IL minimum wage is $7.75 now btw.
This not a time for separation. we all better stick together and back them. This what the company wants to see. Im not sure what brown cafe member says divided we beg, think about it.