Black Lives Matter? Statistics Show That They Do.....

refineryworker05

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Black Lives Matter as a political movement as a civil rights issue can not be anymore narrowly focused and simplistic.

The basic premise is oh in certain cities and places around American black Americans face increased police violence and harassment, their idea is to use the federal and local governments and target those troubled cities and places to reform those police departments so their is less violence and harassment towards black Americans and that's it. That's the whole "agenda" of Black lives matter.

Now, to bring attention and political pressure to this issue there are protests.
 

refineryworker05

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Now we go from BLM which has a narrowly focused simplistic goal of police reform in various American cities in how they treat black Americans, to people who oppose BLM.

And who are these people? They overwhelmingly are not black, they aren't the police in those cities or places where the protests are taking place, they don't live near any black people nor do they live in the places being targeted for police reform.

So objectively the goals of BLM have no impact on their lives not one bit. And yet they never ask themselves why are they actually mad at this movement?

They never bother to read history and see what was said about previous civil right organizations in comparison to what is said about BLM.

If they did, they'd find the exact same criticism of BLM, anti-cop, anti-American, communist, hurtful to race relations, etc are the same criticisms that all effective civil rights organizations have faced in American history.

But I always come back to the same question for the opponents of BLM, why do they care?
they have no skin in the game so to speak on this issue at all.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Now we go from BLM which has a narrowly focused simplistic goal of police reform in various American cities in how they treat black Americans, to people who oppose BLM.

And who are these people? They overwhelmingly are not black, they aren't the police in those cities or places where the protests are taking place, they don't live near any black people nor do they live in the places being targeted for police reform.

So objectively the goals of BLM have no impact on their lives not one bit. And yet they never ask themselves why are they actually mad at this movement?

They never bother to read history and see what was said about previous civil right organizations in comparison to what is said about BLM.

If they did, they'd find the exact same criticism of BLM, anti-cop, anti-American, communist, hurtful to race relations, etc are the same criticisms that all effective civil rights organizations have faced in American history.

But I always come back to the same question for the opponents of BLM, why do they care?
they have no skin in the game so to speak on this issue at all.
When people march down the street yelling "pigs in a blanket, fry'em like bacon" or "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want them? Now!" I don't think they're looking to improve race relations. A bunch of cops got murdered in Dallas because one guy bought into their rhetoric which was based on a false narrative. Notice you don't hear too much about BLM now. Most likely people left their movement because the angry rhetoric was getting cops killed. Are there bad cops? Yes. Are blacks, especially black men, getting systematically hunted down and killed by cops, especially white cops? No. Why do I care? Cops have an extremely difficult and dangerous job. In many places cops go to work every day knowing they might not come home. When cops were being falsely accused of looking for reasons to kill blacks, a number of liberal politicians jumped on that bandwagon and came down so hard that many police departments pulled back on engaging with the public because they didn't want to accused of any wrong doing just for doing their job. We all suffer when that happens but especially in high crime neighborhoods where good people end up facing even higher rates of murder, robbery, rape, drug violence.
 

refineryworker05

Well-Known Member
When people march down the street yelling "pigs in a blanket, fry'em like bacon" or "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want them? Now!" I don't think they're looking to improve race relations. A bunch of cops got murdered in Dallas because one guy bought into their rhetoric which was based on a false narrative. Notice you don't hear too much about BLM now. Most likely people left their movement because the angry rhetoric was getting cops killed. Are there bad cops? Yes. Are blacks, especially black men, getting systematically hunted down and killed by cops, especially white cops? No. Why do I care? Cops have an extremely difficult and dangerous job. In many places cops go to work every day knowing they might not come home. When cops were being falsely accused of looking for reasons to kill blacks, a number of liberal politicians jumped on that bandwagon and came down so hard that many police departments pulled back on engaging with the public because they didn't want to accused of any wrong doing just for doing their job. We all suffer when that happens but especially in high crime neighborhoods where good people end up facing even higher rates of murder, robbery, rape, drug violence.


You don't hear about BLM now, but I do, they are still politically active. That's because you don't actually care about violence by police against black Americans.

The rest of your post is irrelevant. Every single civil rights organization in American history has faced these same accusations every single one.

You think the civil rights movement hasn't always been blamed for any violence that occurs during marches or protests as a way to discredit the goals of the whole movement?

The bottom line is BLM is focused on police reform in certain American cities and places using the federal and local governments to lessen violence and harassment against black people, if that isn't your concern then why do you care? If you don't live there why do you care? It has no impact on you at all.

I know, I know black on black crime, false narrative, pigs in a blanket, blah, blah, blah. Smh.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
You don't hear about BLM now, but I do, they are still politically active. That's because you don't actually care about violence by police against black Americans.

The rest of your post is irrelevant. Every single civil rights organization in American history has faced these same accusations every single one.

You think the civil rights movement hasn't always been blamed for any violence that occurs during marches or protests as a way to discredit the goals of the whole movement?

The bottom line is BLM is focused on police reform in certain American cities and places using the federal and local governments to lessen violence and harassment against black people, if that isn't your concern then why do you care? If you don't live there why do you care? It has no impact on you at all.

I know, I know black on black crime, false narrative, pigs in a blanket, blah, blah, blah. Smh.
What I hear from you is that only your opinion matters. Anyone who disagrees is a racist. Comparing BLM with Martin Luther King and the real Civil Rights Movement is silly. Blah blah blah is fitting.
 

floridays

Well-Known Member
You don't hear about BLM now, but I do, they are still politically active. That's because you don't actually care about violence by police against black Americans.

The rest of your post is irrelevant. Every single civil rights organization in American history has faced these same accusations every single one.

You think the civil rights movement hasn't always been blamed for any violence that occurs during marches or protests as a way to discredit the goals of the whole movement?

The bottom line is BLM is focused on police reform in certain American cities and places using the federal and local governments to lessen violence and harassment against black people, if that isn't your concern then why do you care? If you don't live there why do you care? It has no impact on you at all.

I know, I know black on black crime, false narrative, pigs in a blanket, blah, blah, blah. Smh.

Yawn
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Statistics prove???? the movement completely ignores the black babies being killed at Planned Parenthood......those black lives are in the "don't matter" category!
 

newfie

Well-Known Member
Black Lives Matter as a political movement as a civil rights issue can not be anymore narrowly focused and simplistic.

The basic premise is oh in certain cities and places around American black Americans face increased police violence and harassment, their idea is to use the federal and local governments and target those troubled cities and places to reform those police departments so their is less violence and harassment towards black Americans and that's it. That's the whole "agenda" of Black lives matter.

Now, to bring attention and political pressure to this issue there are protests.

that's what they meant when they recommended killing cops? thanks for the translation
 

refineryworker05

Well-Known Member
What I hear from you is that only your opinion matters. Anyone who disagrees is a racist. Comparing BLM with Martin Luther King and the real Civil Rights Movement is silly. Blah blah blah is fitting.

Look, MLK and the civil rights movement were about a radical transformation of all of American society, meaning their plan by designed would have impacted every American.
They wanted to change who lived in what neighborhoods, who got to compete for what jobs, who got to go to certain schools, who got to vote. They wanted to change the power structure in American society and use the government, the courts, and tremendous political protests to force that change.

Objectively, they were advocating a radical transformation of all of American society and for that they were called, communists, criminals(just like blm), blamed for violence(just like blm), said to violate the laws(just like blm), called anti American(just like blm), etc. And in the foreground to that movement was the black power movement, that had even more radicals who often worked with and agreed with the larger civil rights movements, these radicals called for violent uprising, they called for an eye for an eye, they carried guns, trained with guns, talked openly of killing cops, etc.

Yet you believe that you would have supported that civil rights movement. lol

but you find Black lives matter which as an organization is only calling for police reform of certain police departments in certain cities and places to lessen police violence and harassment towards black Americans by using the federal and local governments which means by design, they want very narrowly focused policy solutions which won't impact most Americans as too radical and violent. lol
 

refineryworker05

Well-Known Member
that's what they meant when they recommended killing cops? thanks for the translation

This is the exact same charge leveled at every civil rights organization. Every single one of them gets blamed for violence against police or riots or property damage and its done for the exact same purpose everytime to discredit the actual goals of the civil rights movement- IE police violence and harassment of black Americans.

This is not hyperbole, every single civil rights organization have been blamed for violence, every single civil rights leader was blamed for violence and called criminal, and said to support violence or criminal behavior. Same bs tactics over and over and over again.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Look, MLK and the civil rights movement were about a radical transformation of all of American society, meaning their plan by designed would have impacted every American.
They wanted to change who lived in what neighborhoods, who got to compete for what jobs, who got to go to certain schools, who got to vote. They wanted to change the power structure in American society and use the government, the courts, and tremendous political protests to force that change.

Objectively, they were advocating a radical transformation of all of American society and for that they were called, communists, criminals(just like blm), blamed for violence(just like blm), said to violate the laws(just like blm), called anti American(just like blm), etc. And in the foreground to that movement was the black power movement, that had even more radicals who often worked with and agreed with the larger civil rights movements, these radicals called for violent uprising, they called for an eye for an eye, they carried guns, trained with guns, talked openly of killing cops, etc.

Yet you believe that you would have supported that civil rights movement. lol

but you find Black lives matter which as an organization is only calling for police reform of certain police departments in certain cities and places to lessen police violence and harassment towards black Americans by using the federal and local governments which means by design, they want very narrowly focused policy solutions which won't impact most Americans as too radical and violent. lol
Did MLK support what the Black Panthers and others were doing with violence? Never heard that before. You can associate BLM with the Black Panthers, but leave MLK out of it. The Civil Rights Movement was successful because of his non-violence stand. And frankly what's going on in the Black community today is very different from what they had to deal with then.
 

Sportello

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Did MLK support what the Black Panthers and others were doing with violence? Never heard that before. You can associate BLM with the Black Panthers, but leave MLK out of it. The Civil Rights Movement was successful because of his non-violence stand. And frankly what's going on in the Black community today is very different from what they had to deal with then.

Seriously?
 
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