Breaking – Church shooting in Texas leaves 2 dead, stopped by good guys with guns…

scooby0048

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The first guy that appears to draw a weapon (too slowly) was the first guy the perpetrator shot.
Lesson learned.
I watched the video more than a dozen times trying to figure out what he was reaching for. Whatever it was, be it a wallet, a weapon, or a phone, he never actually gets the item out. It looks like he was reacting to the hostile but was ill prepared to deal with the threat and the hostile had the advantage of first strike.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
Jack Wilson, the security volunteer who quickly shot the Texas church shooter at West Freeway Church of Christ, stopping him and likely saving many lives, is a former reserve deputy sheriff who was the long-time owner of a firearms training academy.

He used the following firearm: “SIG P229-357 SIG.”

Jack Wilson, Texas Church Shooting Hero: 5 Fast Facts | Heavy.com

One instance where having armed people worked out the right way. Overall, it usually goes the other way.

Do you get wood when you mention that he used a SIG, AND included the model #?
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
“Dealing with firearms, it is irrational, with all due respect to the governor of Texas, irrational what they are doing,” Biden told reporters on September 2. “On the very day you see a mass shooting … and we’re talking about loosening access to have guns, to be able to take them into places of worship, it’s just absolutely irrational. It’s totally irrational.”
 

Boywondr

The truth never changes.
I watched the video more than a dozen times trying to figure out what he was reaching for. Whatever it was, be it a wallet, a weapon, or a phone, he never actually gets the item out. It looks like he was reacting to the hostile but was ill prepared to deal with the threat and the hostile had the advantage of first strike.
Dont bring a wallet to a gunfight and dont reach for a hanky when a dude has a sawed off shotgun raised.

If you have a gun, are in the open at point blank range, and the other guy has a shotgun raised dont be stupid enough to go for your gun unless you fall away first or you're Kato on the Green Hornet.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
Dont bring a wallet to a gunfight and dont reach for a hanky when a dude has a sawed off shotgun raised.

If you have a gun, are in the open at point blank range, and the other guy has a shotgun raised dont be stupid enough to go for your gun unless you fall away first or you're Kato on the Green Hornet.
You could probably draw and fire a handgun quicker than he could point and fire a shotgun. Unless the shotgun is already pointed at you. Then you wait until the shotgun is pointed elsewhere first.
 

scooby0048

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Dont bring a wallet to a gunfight and dont reach for a hanky when a dude has a sawed off shotgun raised.

If you have a gun, are in the open at point blank range, and the other guy has a shotgun raised dont be stupid enough to go for your gun unless you fall away first or you're Kato on the Green Hornet.
I read somewhere that there was speculation the shooter was going for a robbery of the collection plate. IDK, if the first fallen was giving up his wallet or reacting to engage. I hope that the witnesses and investigation can give us a better idea of the roles and actions of the two fallen.
 

Boywondr

The truth never changes.
Looks like he was struggling to get his pistol out from under his shirt and jacket. Or maybe it was a 1911 and the beaver tail snagged.
If you're fat get a snub nosed revolver.

Someone
has got to take notice of strangers in long coats when it's warm outside. Come on!

Any security person or anyone paying attention in today's world and wants to live has to be smarter than the idiots that hide long guns under long coats in a mass gathering.
 
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oldngray

nowhere special
I read somewhere that there was speculation the shooter was going for a robbery of the collection plate. IDK, if the first fallen was giving up his wallet or reacting to engage. I hope that the witnesses and investigation can give us a better idea of the roles and actions of the two fallen.
The shooter was arrested in New Jersey last year. And released. Sounds like he was just a nutcase.
Texas man arrested in Linden on gun charge
 

Boywondr

The truth never changes.
You could probably draw and fire a handgun quicker than he could point and fire a shotgun. Unless the shotgun is already pointed at you. Then you wait until the shotgun is pointed elsewhere first.
The dude had the shotgun raised and pointed for at least 4 seconds when the guy stepped toward him and stuck his hand under his jacket.

Watch the video again. You'll see it plainly. He became the unwilling (dead) decoy while the other guy shot him.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
This could of turned into Christchurch, everyone huddle in a corner waiting their turn to be mowed down. Maybe a hero or two charging the gun man only to be shot and killed. Instead there were armed men ready to kill anyone who tried that nonsense.
 

Boywondr

The truth never changes.
He was going for the intimidation factor.

Fail
Being dead wrong is similar to being dead right. You're still dead.

It's a sad day that people can't go to church and worship their God and be free from the concern of who is going to shoot you from the balcony or the next row ahead.
Not that life is perfect everywhere but it didnt used to consistantly be this bad and no laws can fix this onslaught.

P.S. Biden was worthless as VP. Now he's an expert on social issues. Just what we need. Another Howard Cosell.
 
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