Broken Treaties between the US Gov't and the Native American Tribes

newfie

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Amigo for the longest time Native Americans were excluded from participation in the greater society. They weren't even given citizenship until 1924. My father's family is Scots-Irish, my mother's Irish-Cherokee. I get it, it was warfare, the natives lost. Reservations were in ancestral homelands out west(with exceptions)and in a few places back east. But Oklahoma was reserved for tribes who were marched there at the point of a gun. Signed treaties are law and not subject to the whims of a new generation. And the Supreme Court just rightfully ruled that a crime committed on tribal land isn't subject to state courts but must be tried in Federal courts. In Oklahoma the state authorities are highly likely to be of mixed ancestry anyways and not the white good ol' boy network of the plantation south.

all that is a very wonderful narrative to share with me. It means nothing to my point that if the :censored2: aint working change it. Reservations were and continue to be a bad idea that has hurt the earlier settlers
 

newfie

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You can't reneg on law. The U.S. spent billions rebuilding Europe and Japan after WWII. Just maybe a little largesse directed towards Native Americans is in order.

you can change for the better. blaming the law for fricking up an entire group of people is a cop out.
 
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newfie

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Keep that thought when the blacks and browns take over this countries government. May take years but it will happen. I guess the privileged white class will have to deal with it.

the blacks and browns already outnumber whites in the world. the countries run by blacks and browns are for the most part not doing too well. The white countries are doing quite well. Taking over does not necessarily mean you have more babies. Managing that power is the trick.
 

oldngray

nowhere special
according to the liberals they are one oppressed native american nation who had nothing but love and open arms for each other.
the myth of the Noble Savage. They fought and killed each other, stole land, possessions and captives from each other, and kept slaves.
 

vantexan

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all that is a very wonderful narrative to share with me. It means nothing to my point that if the :censored2: aint working change it. Reservations were and continue to be a bad idea that has hurt the earlier settlers
OK, if capitalism isn't working for half the population locked into wage slavery then change it. An Indian preferring to live away from the greater culture in poverty rather than participate in what is clearly not that great a life might be smarter and freer than all the people convinced to work two jobs just to exist.
 

floridays

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OK, if capitalism isn't working for half the population locked into wage slavery then change it. An Indian preferring to live away from the greater culture in poverty rather than participate in what is clearly not that great a life might be smarter and freer than all the people convinced to work two jobs just to exist.
Tex, please expand, you're beginning to sound like a communist.
I'd like to dissect in my mind exactly what you are saying about the plight of original inhabitants.

I have two questions:

1. Does capitalism work?
2. Does,
"An Indian preferring to live away from the greater culture in poverty rather than participate in what is clearly not that great a life,"
negate his or her responsibility for them, individually and their offspring, if a better life, monetarily, and asset wise is aspired to?

I'm just gathering information.
 

newfie

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OK, if capitalism isn't working for half the population locked into wage slavery then change it. An Indian preferring to live away from the greater culture in poverty rather than participate in what is clearly not that great a life might be smarter and freer than all the people convinced to work two jobs just to exist.

pine ridge reservation in south dakota is the poorest reservation in the country. they have two casino's and dont use the money to benifit the entire group. Their children ride a bus 4 to 5 hours one way to get to the nearest school. that freedom you speak of sounds nice the practical application sucks.
 

vantexan

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pine ridge reservation in south dakota is the poorest reservation in the country. they have two casino's and dont use the money to benifit the entire group. Their children ride a bus 4 to 5 hours one way to get to the nearest school. that freedom you speak of sounds nice the practical application sucks.
And Pine Ridge is very remote. Go to Oklahoma or New Mexico or Arizona and see plenty of native communities getting by ok. Might not meet your standards in everything but it's theirs.
 

newfie

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And Pine Ridge is very remote. Go to Oklahoma or New Mexico or Arizona and see plenty of native communities getting by ok. Might not meet your standards in everything but it's theirs.

it is remote but the money from two casino's should provide a better life. the point again. when you seperate groups of people by type they never do as well .
 

rod

Retired 22 years
pine ridge reservation in south dakota is the poorest reservation in the country. they have two casino's and dont use the money to benifit the entire group. Their children ride a bus 4 to 5 hours one way to get to the nearest school. that freedom you speak of sounds nice the practical application sucks.
Nobody is keeping them on the Res. I've been through the Pine Ridge Res many times and you don't come away impressed with the locals enthusiasm for bettering themselves. They stay on the Res because EVERYTHING essential is provided for them.
 

vantexan

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Tex, please expand, you're beginning to sound like a communist.
I'd like to dissect in my mind exactly what you are saying about the plight of original inhabitants.

I have two questions:

1. Does capitalism work?
2. Does,
"An Indian preferring to live away from the greater culture in poverty rather than participate in what is clearly not that great a life,"
negate his or her responsibility for them, individually and their offspring, if a better life, monetarily, and asset wise is aspired to?

I'm just gathering information.
That's the issue, is a material life desired if their culture doesn't emphasize such things? No doubt some Native Americans do aspire to a nice home in a nice neighborhood, but many are satisfied to take whatever they can get on their own land rather than venture into what is for many an alien world. That's their decision and trying to force them into the mainstream isn't the white man's to make.

With all the constant tugging back and forth to get the Black vote, the Hispanic vote, you never hear much if at all about the Native American vote. Flying under the radar doing your own thing sounds good to me at this point in my life. Not jumping through hoops to afford the next great thing. There are certainly things I would like to have, but just reading about them online is a whole lot cheaper.
 
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