Broken Treaties between the US Gov't and the Native American Tribes

[newfie]

I've lived in Oklahoma. Most Native American Oklahomans are of mixed ancestry. And when most of their native ancestors were forcibly removed from their homes it was thought that Oklahoma was worthless land that nobody wanted but oil and gas changed that. And it does depend on the tribe. The Mescalero Apaches in New Mexico like to say "The Navajos make rugs, the Hopis make pots, but the Apaches make money."

At any rate you're not going to make the Republican Party a big tent party by telling smaller groups of people that you're from a bigger group and can do as you please. That your word means little.

You didnt address the destructive nature of these reservational treaties in your response. I started my recent responses by asking where the german tribe is located. We dont seperate other groups from the great melting pot. This country has a very racist process of trying seperate specific groups of people indians and blacks the two greatest examples and the results have been economically disaterous.

the political party that loves to seperate the groups is never challenged on their extreme acts of racism that have kept these groups oppressed.

The republican party should do a better job of reminding these groups that the dems are the ones that are keeping them down.

in republican run cities they should paint black lives matters on the streets in front of an abortion clinic.

 

[vantexan]

sadly true. It was a bull agreement that has hurt the native americans. the melting pot only works when the melting is complete. seperation is destructive to the country and the group seperated as seen on reservations and inner city plantations.

The majority of those with Native American heritage are of mixed race in the U.S. and don't live on reservations. I agree that the reservation system wasn't the best solution but then I laugh at how casinos have greatly helped many reservations and many whites really resent that. Apparently practicing good old fashion capitalism is fine until people get beat at their own game, pun intended.

 

[newfie]

The majority of those with Native American heritage are of mixed race in the U.S. and don't live on reservations. I agree that the reservation system wasn't the best solution but then I laugh at how casinos have greatly helped many reservations and many whites really resent that. Apparently practicing good old fashion capitalism is fine until people get beat at their own game, pun intended.

some of the poorest conditions I've ever seen people living under have been on reservations. The Casino does not seem to help everyone or enough of everyones.

my point to the reservation treaty is its just a bad deal for everyone and should have been reneged on.

 

[vantexan]

You didnt address the destructive nature of these reservational treaties in your response. I started my recent responses by asking where the german tribe is located. We dont seperate other groups from the great melting pot. This country has a very racist process of trying seperate specific groups of people indians and blacks the two greatest examples and the results have been economically disaterous.

the political party that loves to seperate the groups is never challenged on their extreme acts of racism that have kept these groups oppressed.

The republican party should do a better job of reminding these groups that the dems are the ones that are keeping them down.

in republican run cities they should paint black lives matters on the streets in front of an abortion clinic.

Amigo for the longest time Native Americans were excluded from participation in the greater society. They weren't even given citizenship until 1924. My father's family is Scots-Irish, my mother's Irish-Cherokee. I get it, it was warfare, the natives lost. Reservations were in ancestral homelands out west(with exceptions)and in a few places back east. But Oklahoma was reserved for tribes who were marched there at the point of a gun. Signed treaties are law and not subject to the whims of a new generation. And the Supreme Court just rightfully ruled that a crime committed on tribal land isn't subject to state courts but must be tried in Federal courts. In Oklahoma the state authorities are highly likely to be of mixed ancestry anyways and not the white good ol' boy network of the plantation south.

 

[vantexan]

some of the poorest conditions I've ever seen people living under have been on reservations. The Casino does not seem to help everyone or enough of everyones.

my point to the reservation treaty is its just a bad deal for everyone and should have been reneged on.

You can't reneg on law. The U.S. spent billions rebuilding Europe and Japan after WWII. Just maybe a little largesse directed towards Native Americans is in order.

 

[Fred's Myth]

I'm going to drive up to Minnesota and steal your land. See how you like it. I'll just move you to a few arid acres in the middle of Nebraska.

You have a failed grasp of the court decision.

It merely stated that the ‘native Americans’ retained sole right of prosecution of ‘native American’ criminals in their jurisdiction as defined by treaty.

 

[oldngray]

The majority of those with Native American heritage are of mixed race in the U.S. and don't live on reservations. I agree that the reservation system wasn't the best solution but then I laugh at how casinos have greatly helped many reservations and many whites really resent that. Apparently practicing good old fashion capitalism is fine until people get beat at their own game, pun intended.

I am more Cherokee than Liz Warren.

Where's my money?

 

[Fred's Myth]

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Somebody finally said the reality of it all out loud.

Thank you.

 

[Over70irregs]

We should have let the South go and keep their slaves-------and built a big friend'ing wall.

Wall is a lil further south.

 

[bottomups]

Somebody finally said the reality of it all out loud.

Thank you.

Keep that thought when the blacks and browns take over this countries government. May take years but it will happen. I guess the privileged white class will have to deal with it.

 

[vantexan]

Somebody finally said the reality of it all out loud.

Thank you.

There was a time when people warred on others to take whatever wealth and food they had. At this point technology and building markets with others should suffice. Unfortunately there always seems to be a group that's exploited for another's benefit. Since the U.S. has become a service economy there has developed a large group of working poor that make up close to half of the population. We can continue to say that they're where they're at because of this, this, and this(it's their fault) and continue to struggle with all the "isms" that are tearing us apart, or we can come up with something better that gives chances at better lives without having to kill yourself to obtain it. And likely work yourself into the ground without obtaining it. A better life doesn't have to be a big house and fancy car. Can just mean home ownership, not going hungry, the ability to have some things. But then I don't think the country will improve as long as there's easy access to drugs and a willingness to take drugs rather than put that money to work towards a better future.

 

[Fred's Myth]

The majority of those with Native American heritage are of mixed race in the U.S. and don't live on reservations. I agree that the reservation system wasn't the best solution but then I laugh at how casinos have greatly helped many reservations and many whites really resent that. Apparently practicing good old fashion capitalism is fine until people get beat at their own game, pun intended.

Those casinos are tribal, and proceeds only go to that tribe, not the other tribes. Very similar to what was done to them.

 

[Fred's Myth]

There was a time when people warred on others to take whatever wealth and food they had. At this point technology and building markets with others should suffice. Unfortunately there always seems to be a group that's exploited for another's benefit. Since the U.S. has become a service economy there has developed a large group of working poor that make up close to half of the population. We can continue to say that they're where they're at because of this, this, and this(it's their fault) and continue to struggle with all the "isms" that are tearing us apart, or we can come up with something better that gives chances at better lives without having to kill yourself to obtain it. And likely work yourself into the ground without obtaining it. A better life doesn't have to be a big house and fancy car. Can just mean home ownership, not going hungry, the ability to have some things. But then I don't think the country will improve as long as there's easy access to drugs and a willingness to take drugs rather than put that money to work towards a better future.

You becoming a Socialist?

 

[Fred's Myth]

Keep that thought when the blacks and browns take over this countries government. May take years but it will happen. I guess the privileged white class will have to deal with it.

And when you do, you can burn ALL the history books! That will fix EVERYTHING! FACTS be damned!

 

[vantexan]

Those casinos are tribal, and proceeds only go to that tribe, not the other tribes. Very similar to what was done to them.

Not following. Why would Shawnees in OKlahoma share their casino proceeds with Pueblos in New Mexico?

 

[oldngray]

Not following. Why would Shawnees in OKlahoma share their casino proceeds with Pueblos in New Mexico?

Shawnees are mostly a tribe in name only. Most have little Indian blood and are mostly white.

... but enough to qualify for casinos!

 

[vantexan]

You becoming a Socialist?

Nope, I think socialism sounds good on paper but doesn't work. But I can see the results on the news lately of having a permanent underclass, a substantially large underclass, that's angry about their circumstances. We need to figure out something better. The virus has accelerated what automation and AI are expected to do, put tens of millions out of work. Personally I think they should require anything sold in the U.S. to have at least a percentage of that product manufactured here. And outlaw any automation that can be done by humans. We've already seen what putting so much overseas, especially in China, has done for us.

 

[vantexan]

Shawnees are mostly a tribe in name only. Most have little Indian blood and are mostly white.

... but enough to qualify for casinos!

Let's not get lost on what I pulled out of my hat. Not to mention the Pueblos all have their own casinos. Northern New Mexico looks like Nevada.

 

[vantexan]

There was a time when people warred on others to take whatever wealth and food they had. At this point technology and building markets with others should suffice. Unfortunately there always seems to be a group that's exploited for another's benefit. Since the U.S. has become a service economy there has developed a large group of working poor that make up close to half of the population. We can continue to say that they're where they're at because of this, this, and this(it's their fault) and continue to struggle with all the "isms" that are tearing us apart, or we can come up with something better that gives chances at better lives without having to kill yourself to obtain it. And likely work yourself into the ground without obtaining it. A better life doesn't have to be a big house and fancy car. Can just mean home ownership, not going hungry, the ability to have some things. But then I don't think the country will improve as long as there's easy access to drugs and a willingness to take drugs rather than put that money to work towards a better future.

Yes @It will be fine nothing but pure, unadulterated socialism will make you happy.

 

[Babagounj]

Shawnees are mostly a tribe in name only. Most have little Indian blood and are mostly white.

... but enough to qualify for casinos!

1/128 is all the blood needed to qualify as Native American.
At least that is what the Blackfeet neighbors tell me.