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Old Man Jingles
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That is what got the Repugs in trouble.
Goofy looking districts don't pass the smell test and is where the name gerrymander comes from.
The original gerrymander, and original 1812 gerrymander cartoon, depict the Essex South state senatorial district for the legislature of The Commonwealth of Massachusetts put in place by the Massachusetts Governor Gerry.
Gerrymander is a portmanteau of the governor's last name and the word salamander.
It will be fine
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538 did a podcast series about it. It’s worth a listen if you’re interested. There are many problems that arise when trying to fix it. The voting rights act causes some problems that basically mandate it. That’s why I think we should turn it over to some algorithms, but as witnessed by the Zuckerberg senate hearings, our officials are basically Luddites.
1989
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Dodging which taxes? I only live where
I can afford to. With quality of life first priority. Saving .1% has never been a consideration.
Old Man Jingles
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Computer algorithms do what the person that programmed desired and hopefully intended.
In most cases, computers only do things faster and not as good as a person.
Check out the posts and threads on ORION.
DriveInDriveOut
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Property.
It's a whole hell of a lot more than .1% difference. Thousands of dollars.
Old Man Jingles
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Voting laws designed to protect minorities.
The by product is that it is perfectly legal to protect an existing seat as long as it doesn't run afoul of voting laws.
It will be fine
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The latest lawsuits set up a pretty decent standard of wasted votes with the efficiency gap metric. You could set an algorithm to limit that and it would probably be a good start to maintain a more representative government. It’s a start and there’d still be problems, but it would limit the blatant disenfranchisement the current system encourages.
Old Man Jingles
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I really don't buy that because slimy politicians will be involved.
Political parties will develop their own inputs to produce a desired output.
It will be fine
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Make the code transparent so data nerds can show when a party is cooking the books in their own favor. It may not matter but it’d be in the open instead of hidden like it is now. Now they use algorithims to suppress votes and consolidate power and it’s all hidden from the public. Open it up, sunshine as a disinfectant yadda yadda.
It will be fine
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Framers intended it to be a legislative issue. Vote them out if they cheat, it doesn’t really work in practice, especially with the data we have available now. That and we haven’t increased the number of members in the house in a long time.
BrownArmy
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What's the issue if we just divide districts up by a grid, everyone votes, and we just add up all the votes?
Sorry to sound so dense, I just don't understand the issue.
I understand the part of the issue where 'Gerrymandering' has disenfranchised voters, but it's not clear to me why we're where we are.
It's 2018, if I go to an ATM, I get my cash out, the odds of a mistake are negligible.
It's 2018, why can't voting be like an ATM?
We have the technology, what's the issue?
How hard is it to tabulate votes?
Again, what am I missing?
Sorry to sound so dense, I just don't understand the issue.
I understand the part of the issue where 'Gerrymandering' has disenfranchised voters, but it's not clear to me why we're where we are.
It's 2018, if I go to an ATM, I get my cash out, the odds of a mistake are negligible.
It's 2018, why can't voting be like an ATM?
We have the technology, what's the issue?
How hard is it to tabulate votes?
Again, what am I missing?
Old Man Jingles
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I like the idea.
BrownArmy
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Old Man Jingles
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Like Obama, Like Hillary, Like Trump, Like Kemp, Like all of them.
Old Man Jingles
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It's complicated!
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BrownArmy
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errm, not sure anyone on that list is just like Kemp, except for Kemp.
A man running for an election where he's in charge of how the election is run?
How is that like Hillary, Trump, or Obama?
Old Man Jingles
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I have this up on my screen.
I am headed off to another concert.
I do intend to read it, I need to understand their position better. I did a paper on this in my Civics class but that was long before computers.
Thanks.
BrownArmy
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I know, I keep asking people to explain it to me, so far no love.
