Minimum wage for federal contractors (which UPS is) is $10.20 right now. If you have preloaders making less than that, then either those preloaders are lying, they're working off the books, or UPS is due for a spanking by the feds.
Contract raises vs. state minimum wage
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Minimum wage for federal contractors (which UPS is) is $10.20 right now. If you have preloaders making less than that, then either those preloaders are lying, they're working off the books, or UPS is due for a spanking by the feds.
542thruNthru
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Where I am the night shift guys handle more packages a day then the morning shift. Most guys load 2.5k a night each. Most our morning guys usually load 1k or 1.2k.
Not saying it's harder or easier.
Big Package
Handler
I told the guys what I made, one looked visibly upset and the others said 
we don't make ten. This was just 2 or 3 weeks ago. I don't think it's my responsibility to broach the subject with them or management. As an observation, not a prejudice, I'd say citizenship status is questionable from what little Spanish I know and what I can even hear in there.
we don't make ten. This was just 2 or 3 weeks ago. I don't think it's my responsibility to broach the subject with them or management. As an observation, not a prejudice, I'd say citizenship status is questionable from what little Spanish I know and what I can even hear in there.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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It is much easier for us to make it up on road.
trickpony1
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Conspiracy to defraud the company?
Mugarolla
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OK.
Let's raise the minimum wage to $30/hr.
That candy bar will now cost $5 and that one bedroom apartment will be $3000.
People don't get it Raising the minimum wage raises the price of everything.
And it is not the government's job to give you a "living wage."
It is up to you to find a better job or to deal with what you have.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Unfortunately, the government already thinks it must take care of everyone.
Might as well move to Denmark and be happy.
DriveInDriveOut
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Except that's not true...
Labor is only one of many costs.
And no one is talking about a $30 minimum wage.
PT Car Washer
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So if package delivery drivers took a $10/hr cut in pay everything would be cheaper and they could afford more? Makes sense.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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With all else being equal, raising the minimum wage would result in a proportional raise in our overall cost of living.
DriveInDriveOut
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That's your opinion Dan.
It's all theoretical.
Mugarolla
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It's the biggest cost.
Pay the lettuce pickers more, the price of lettuce increases.
Pay the McDonald's worker more, the price of a Big Mac goes up even higher than it went up because the price of produce went up.
And no, we're not talking $30/hr, but if the minimum wage goes from $12 to $15, the extra money the minimum wage earner gets goes to buying the now higher cost of products.
The companies can either eat the extra cost of labor or pass in on to the consumer.
What do you think they have historically always done?
Mugarolla
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UPS would just have more money.
We are talking about raising the minimum wage raising the price of products.
Package drivers taking a pay cut has no effect on the minimum wage and the price of goods and products.
Mugarolla
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UPS raises their rates every year.
Why?
The main reason.... the cost of labor.
We get a raise, the prices go up. UPS passes the cost to the consumer.
Economics 101.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
Yes, economics 101 is about the level of knowledge I'm reading from your posts.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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UPS raises their rates because their customers are used to them doing it each and every year.
Mugarolla
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Didn't answer the question.
Why does UPS, and almost all companies, raise the price of their goods and services every hear?
Mugarolla
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Funny....
But if UPS did not raise their rates and gave us our raises and increases in H&W and pension, they would not make their $4B.
Eat the increased cost of labor or pass it on to the consumer, a concept that @DriveInDriveOut does not seem to comprehend.
The same goes for any increase in the minimum wage.
Companies must eat the increased cost of labor or pass it on to the consumer.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
Lots of reasons. You seem to be suggesting it's all because we got a raise. Maybe you've been talking to management too much.
Mugarolla
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You are correct. Lots of reasons.
While labor is the biggest reason, the whole point is that UPS raises their rates because their cost of doing business has increased.
Planes cost more, package cars cost more, uniforms cost more. Labor costs more.
But why do all these things cost more today than they did 20 years ago when minimum wage was like $3/hr.
Oh, wait. That's right. Minimum wage is almost 4 times higher today than it was back then.
Labor, the main reason goods and services cost more today than they used to.
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