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TheDudeAbides92 said:
I don’t believe one person died of covid. I’ll never ever trust the medical community again because I know what they did. And I’m far from the only one
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I love how people that barely graduated high school truly believe they are so much smarter than doctors who have spent so many years on medical school. It’s funny and sad at the same time
 
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I love how people that barely graduated high school truly believe they are so much smarter than doctors who have spent so many years on medical school. It’s funny and sad at the same time
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Medical school is a waste of time it’s just indoctrination. They no longer have any credibility. They’re just drug pushers like the cartels. In fact I have more respect for the cartels
 
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TheDudeAbides92 said:
Medical school is a waste of time it’s just indoctrination. They no longer have any credibility. They’re just drug pushers like the cartels. In fact I have more respect for the cartels
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True, I recall right before they put me under for my double bypass hearing my doctor telling a nurse he was learning gender reassignment surgery. He told me to relax, no one wanted to see me as a woman.
 
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Gotta Go said:
www.foxnews.com

Biden plans to ask Congress for funding to develop new COVID vaccine, may recommend shot for all

President Biden told reporters on Friday he plans to ask Congress for funding to help develop a new COVID-19 vaccine, adding he may require everyone to get the shot.
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Fox article:

"President Biden said Friday he plans to request additional funding from Congress for the development of a new COVID-19 vaccine, adding he may require everyone to take it whether they previously received a vaccine or not."

Actual Biden quote in the article:

"He added, "Tentatively it is recommended that it will likely be recommended everybody get it no matter whether they’ve gotten it before or not."
 
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I love how people that barely graduated high school truly believe they are so much smarter than doctors who have spent so many years on medical school. It’s funny and sad at the same time
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Even funnier how many physicians were against masks and lockdowns but silenced by the government and vocal minority. How about the retired truck drivers that side with the three doctors the media pimps to them? My biology minor tells me I should definitely take a retired truck driver's advice.
 
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So in your estimation it's not the political party that matters, it's rich vs poor. Just curious, how many poor men have given you a paycheck? You just told Rod that he was a weak human being for taking shots as a precaution. Are you a weak man for not having created a successful business that made you wealthy? It takes a lot of spine to risk one's money and put in long hours to get it up and running. Why haven't you?

To say there's no difference between parties is intellectually lazy. There are people within each party who are there to line their pockets. That has always been the case. But just looking at the last two administration's there's a clear difference in policies that have a direct impact on our lives. One believes that a strong business environment that creates prosperity helps everyone. The other wants to create envy of those prospering and put impediments on them if everyone else isn't benefiting as much. Which has been more successful in helping the middle class?
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Both have been successful in helping people stay in the middle class. During your life, what do you believe the percentage is of people who make it out of the middle class? I ask this bc your level of success seems to be “wealth”, not the middle class. You would only judge me by if I had made myself wealthy. But back to my question, how many have made it out of the middle class? When the people who are running the show are making MILLIONS, while middle class fights to keep up with inflation, it’s the rich vs the poor. No poor person caused inflation, but we have to pay for it. No poor person owns a bank and gets bailed out, but we pay for it. We get higher interest rates while the rich get loans? This is going on and I don’t see where R and D distinguish themselves.

To comment on your assumption, I have 2 businesses and leaving UPS a young man. Literally has zero to do with my views of the 2 party system (rich vs poor). I’ve literally came from having nothing but lent in my pocket, NO MONEY. That’s where my views come from. Follow the money. I align with you and rod on A LOT. But I disagree on putting people in parties. You’re a one party person that’s cool. To me that’s intellectually lazy, as you say.
 
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Both have been successful in helping people stay in the middle class. During your life, what do you believe the percentage is of people who make it out of the middle class? I ask this bc your level of success seems to be “wealth”, not the middle class. You would only judge me by if I had made myself wealthy. But back to my question, how many have made it out of the middle class? When the people who are running the show are making MILLIONS, while middle class fights to keep up with inflation, it’s the rich vs the poor. No poor person caused inflation, but we have to pay for it. No poor person owns a bank and gets bailed out, but we pay for it. We get higher interest rates while the rich get loans? This is going on and I don’t see where R and D distinguish themselves.

To comment on your assumption, I have 2 businesses and leaving UPS a young man. Literally has zero to do with my views of the 2 party system (rich vs poor). I’ve literally came from having nothing but lent in my pocket, NO MONEY. That’s where my views come from. Follow the money. I align with you and rod on A LOT. But I disagree on putting people in parties. You’re a one party person that’s cool. To me that’s intellectually lazy, as you say.
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Say, start your own bank(2 businesses...leaving UPS a young man).

Make those loans to the thugs, weed wastoids, welfare queens, baby daddy's ad nauseam. Get back to us about rich vs. poor....after-all you are the rich(2 businesses.....leaving UPS a young man).

Put your money where your opinionated mouth is....

And say, why don't all these people make it out of the middle class? Example: when you see a homeless person on the street or someone living in a trailer with 3 broken down cars in the yard and perhaps 7 kids in filthy rags and diapers in the grassless front yard.....how do YOU think they got there? Or how about row after row of such? Again, how did they get there exactly?

If you find many folks can't speak standard register english, didn't graduate high school, smoke weed daily, but have long nails and an I-phone....how did they get there?

This rich vs. poor thing......tell us more.
 
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Both have been successful in helping people stay in the middle class. During your life, what do you believe the percentage is of people who make it out of the middle class? I ask this bc your level of success seems to be “wealth”, not the middle class. You would only judge me by if I had made myself wealthy. But back to my question, how many have made it out of the middle class? When the people who are running the show are making MILLIONS, while middle class fights to keep up with inflation, it’s the rich vs the poor. No poor person caused inflation, but we have to pay for it. No poor person owns a bank and gets bailed out, but we pay for it. We get higher interest rates while the rich get loans? This is going on and I don’t see where R and D distinguish themselves.

To comment on your assumption, I have 2 businesses and leaving UPS a young man. Literally has zero to do with my views of the 2 party system (rich vs poor). I’ve literally came from having nothing but lent in my pocket, NO MONEY. That’s where my views come from. Follow the money. I align with you and rod on A LOT. But I disagree on putting people in parties. You’re a one party person that’s cool. To me that’s intellectually lazy, as you say.
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But that's just it. Being middle class is fine. Being working class is fine. As long as I've got some kind of shelter, food to eat, clothes to wear, I'm fine. I don't care if a rich guy has a lot more than me. Why do we need to make it out of the middle class? Middle class in the U.S. is wealthy by much of the world's standards. And I came from an impoverished situation as a kid too. I want businesses to succeed and grow and provide employment. And I want government to encourage that, not hinder it. The two parties aren't rich vs poor, that's nothing but envy. The two parties are capitalism vs socialism. Keeping more of what you earn vs taking from those who produce and giving to those who don't. A just society helps those in need in times of emergency. A just society doesn't let people starve or turn them away from hospitals. But a just society also should demand effort be made to earn your way if you are physically/mentally capable of doing so. Most are for most of their lives but at some point most aren't capable of continuing to do so. A just society recognizes that the wealthy got that way from keeping the pay of many employees as low as possible for as long as possible so that the wealthy could get wealthier. Under those circumstances it's only fair, and just, that the employer match the contributions into an old age pension that the employee automatically contributes to through his paycheck. Nothing wrong with being working class, middle class, upper class as long as there's a recognition that we all are doing our part to make it work. Using someone up then casting then aside when their body starts breaking down without assurances they can at least survive in their old age isn't a just society no more than giving healthy people in their 20's money to stay home and do nothing. Not satisfied with being working class? Do more, learn more. Don't envy, work. You're obviously doing that to move up out of UPS. I would put forth the average UPS guy is working harder than most and is earning his way into a better life. Most jobs just don't require that level of physicality. But they are being rewarded for it even if it takes a union to insure it. Most in the working world don't have that.
 
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vantexan said:
But that's just it. Being middle class is fine. Being working class is fine. As long as I've got some kind of shelter, food to eat, clothes to wear, I'm fine. I don't care if a rich guy has a lot more than me. Why do we need to make it out of the middle class? Middle class in the U.S. is wealthy by much of the world's standards. And I came from an impoverished situation as a kid too. I want businesses to succeed and grow and provide employment. And I want government to encourage that, not hinder it. The two parties aren't rich vs poor, that's nothing but envy. The two parties are capitalism vs socialism. Keeping more of what you earn vs taking from those who produce and giving to those who don't. A just society helps those in need in times of emergency. A just society doesn't let people starve or turn them away from hospitals. But a just society also should demand effort be made to earn your way if you are physically/mentally capable of doing so. Most are for most of their lives but at some point most aren't capable of continuing to do so. A just society recognizes that the wealthy got that way from keeping the pay of many employees as low as possible for as long as possible so that the wealthy could get wealthier. Under those circumstances it's only fair, and just, that the employer match the contributions into an old age pension that the employee automatically contributes to through his paycheck. Nothing wrong with being working class, middle class, upper class as long as there's a recognition that we all are doing our part to make it work. Using someone up then casting then aside when their body starts breaking down without assurances they can at least survive in their old age isn't a just society no more than giving healthy people in their 20's money to stay home and do nothing. Not satisfied with being working class? Do more, learn more. Don't envy, work. You're obviously doing that to move up out of UPS. I would put forth the average UPS guy is working harder than most and is earning his way into a better life. Most jobs just don't require that level of physicality. But they are being rewarded for it even if it takes a union to insure it. Most in the working world don't have that.
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I must say.....and I'm reading along.....work...ok.....envy...ok...then.....the whole socialistic part bubbles up.

Then I have to re-check to see if ricky wrote the rest of it.

Say, what do the rest of us owe you or ricky or this 1 dude? See, the arbiter of who decides what, where,when and how much is the problem........especially saying things like "a just society...". Bernie Sanders could have written your post....or BLM...or Antifa. Or any Democrat liberal.
 
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qdg2 said:
I must say.....and I'm reading along.....work...ok.....envy...ok...then.....the whole socialistic part bubbles up.

Then I have to re-check to see if ricky wrote the rest of it.

Say, what do the rest of us owe you or ricky or this 1 dude? See, the arbiter of who decides what, where,when and how much is the problem........especially saying things like "a just society...". Bernie Sanders could have written your post....or BLM...or Antifa. Or any Democrat liberal.
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@rickyb is owed nothing. He’s Canadian. He can have Justin Bieber back.
 
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qdg2 said:
I must say.....and I'm reading along.....work...ok.....envy...ok...then.....the whole socialistic part bubbles up.

Then I have to re-check to see if ricky wrote the rest of it.

Say, what do the rest of us owe you or ricky or this 1 dude? See, the arbiter of who decides what, where,when and how much is the problem........especially saying things like "a just society...". Bernie Sanders could have written your post....or BLM...or Antifa. Or any Democrat liberal.
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Oh you hard liners. That's a major tenet of Christianity. To be there for each other.

Social Security is social insurance, not socialism. It's an agreed on method to spread risk on the entire working population. It's not about making sure everyone has equal outcomes.

To put it bluntly, UPS has to deal with a union because you can't outsource deliveries to some company overseas. Thus your union is able to negotiate very good pay and benefits for you. Compare that to FedEx where Fred S made sure a union couldn't get in. Meanwhile workers at FedEx Ground, Walmart, and countless other companies have to deal with minimal if any benefits. What Social Security does is insure that after a lifetime of work those employees will at least have SS and Medicare. Means little to you because your retirement is secure. Is incredibly important to the working poor.

We do have a system where one can work his way into something better. But the fact remains that only so many of those positions are available. In order for many companies today to do well they have to depend on much of their workforce being willing to accept just getting by. Half of our workforce are essentially wage slaves. So in return for helping them succeed the employers contribute half of the employees' Social Security. Seems fair, and just.
 
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