Rain Water dont burn
Rain Water dont burn
Rain Water dont burn
are you kidding me? Im describing what COULD happen. Not what happend. You think if I was in instant pain and convinced it was rain water, I would even have to talk about this here? You don't even understand the topic, why don't you do me a favor and stop posting pointless issues..
I'm sorry Kyle . Those were your words I regurgitated back to you. You have made some pretty serious allegations here. You're reporting a haz mat incident here yet you can't even tell us what the substance was, whether it was an acid or base ( you said both) and you did not seek medical attention. If you are going to make such serious allegations the least you can do is be accurate and be prepared to explain inconsistencies in your story.
At this point you have not been able to explain any of the following:
a) what was the substance. Why does the center manager say your leak was rainwater?
b) If both hands were affected by this leaker then it must have been a significant leak. Was the "scanner" person who sent it back to you also affected?
c) was it a true hazmat with a diamond label. If you got it on both hands then you had to get a good look at it?
d) another inconsistency. I bring it up because we do get our share of trolls on this site. Why do you use vague terms like scanner and dmp to refer to other jobs while you label your manager as the newly promoted center manager? seems a little odd that you would use slang for other jobs but you carefully word your center managers label to give us the mental vision of some young reckless overly aggressive boss.
"That car dealership should have lost their UPS shipping rights over that."
Under ICAO/IATA/FAA regulations, an incident report about discovered hidden hazmat shipments has to be made, at least in the case of air transportation.
Am not able to find this requirement in 49CFR for ground transportation. Incidents reports need to be filed only when damages or injuries have occured. DOT HazMat specialist also informed me, that for such a type of case there is no reporting requirement (tried to get some clarification a long time ago).
Theoretically the car dealership can be charged by DOT with offering a hidden shipment (and that will become expensive as fines for commercial establishment are stiff to say the least).
Which kind of action will be taken by UPS management, I have no idea, maybe the internal workings will take care of that in their own ways.
Hidden shipments are difficult to find, but sometimes all the clues are there. Who will connect all the dots without being called paranoid?
Once you have seen a fully expanded liferaft and compared it to the original packed state, maybe then attitudes will begin to change. An expanded airbag is not that big, but it is the principle of deliberately violating regulations. If this is done, then other items will be shipped the same way, which can cause far more damage than this airbag.
Possible way out: Training of customers once they have been identified as "possible" HazMat shippers and random inspections.
Your right Tie, we had a camera store violating the shipping procedures for haz-mats and UPS cut them off like a hang nail.Each violation of the haz mat procedures is investigated. Shippers who violate have had their shipping or hazmat shipping rights suspended. When suspended they can only be reinstated at the corporate level.
How does rainwater get on the packages? Doesn't the unload work indoors?
If a package is wet, how is anyone to know if it's a hazmat or not?
Don't touch it, leave the area and contact a sup. That's how it's supposed to work, right?
If it turns out to be rainwater, then isn't it better to be safe than sorry?
If the sup doesn't like seeing the belts shut down due to the rainwater on the packages, then doesn't he/she have a responsibility to find the cause of the rainwater and fix the problem?
Sorry, just playing devil's advocate here.
Is it not possible for one package to leak onto another package?
Is it my job to determine the type of leakage?
And, if in the process of determining the type of leakage I am injured, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the safety procedure?
I imagine you could go into your package car monday and find numerous packages with stains on the outside. Will you now pull over and contact your supervisor to come out on route and process them as possible haz mats santa?
I'm sure you will experience rain or snow sometime in the next week santa. Pull over when you see rain on your packages and call them all in as haz mats and tell me how it goes.
Or perhaps a little common sesne in applying your training and some gloves may suffice?
You make good points but I think the wording of the "dont touch leave area..." should be revised to fit a scenario as you stated.
I imagine you could go into your package car monday and find numerous packages with stains on the outside. Will you now pull over and contact your supervisor to come out on route and process them as possible haz mats santa?
I'm sure you will experience rain or snow sometime in the next week santa. Pull over when you see rain on your packages and call them all in as haz mats and tell me how it goes.
Or perhaps a little common sesne in applying your training and some gloves may suffice?
I believe your scenario has stepped beyond the bounds of the original argument.
Well last week I had a leaker in my feeder that had a HazMat pkg. on the side of it. I told my scanner and they notified "DMP". First person to respond was the new center manager, he told me I was over reacting and its just rain leaking into the trailer from the heavy rains we had. Here is his words to me, " We dont have time to respond to every single rained on pkg. When you see a wet pkg. like this, set it aside, take it out when your done" !!!!
This was all after my hands broke out and swelled from that "rained on" pkg. I told head of saftey and she told me "he's the boss, he tell me what to do" . Told me a report was unnecessary.