Cutting hours from paycheck

[soberups]

Originally Posted by soberups
With the possible exception of Wal-Mart, I have never heard of a company that makes a more calculated and deliberate effort to screw people out of their money than UPS.

You should get out more.

As a salaried management person, your perspective on this issue is probably different from mine.

I spent the first 6 years of my career here fighting a daily battle for the "right" to pull over at noon, go to the bathroom, wash my hands and eat a sandwich for 30 minutes like a normal human being without having an additional 45 minutes deducted from my paycheck for the full hour lunch and break that I wasnt actually taking.

Things look different from behind a desk...perhaps you are the one who needs to "get out more"....

 

[UnconTROLLed]

Try reading the National Enquirer ... Even more disturbing stuff there and more believable.

Believed or not, our union held up well against UPS and three managers were walked out for altering time cards.

It happens all of the time and 90% of the time it is undiscovered or not acted on. Scary, when you see so many people already filing grievances and getting paid retro for stolen hours, you'd think that was the majority. But it is not.

 

[menotyou]

My on-car was my center manager. Wanna guess why the demotion?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

My on-car was my center manager. Wanna guess why the demotion?

Fraternization?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Do what I did, take your cell-phone to work and record pics of all of your punch in and punch out.

Sleeve, this is a very good suggestion. I just have one question--does the electronic time clock show the date as well as the time?

 

[Anonymous 10]

Go to your union REP. and file a Grievance!!!!! do the math. if you are a 10$ an hour employee. figure if they take an hour a week x 52 weeks = 520$
if they do that to 100 people that's 52000 dollars profit.. in essence 2 people are working for free for a year..

You must be a genius or something.

 

[Anonymous 10]

Yeah I don't know what is going on with Brown, but reading these forums, there are a lot of disturbing things going on. If you are paid hourly, expected to work the hours and then don't get paid and then you don't stand up for that! Then you won't be a union for much longer. You are supposed to be stronger than that and non-union shops the employees in general will make mention of this. This easily could become a huge legal issue. I don't understand how someone would allow this union or not.

It sounds like you should team up with integrity.

 

[menotyou]

Fraternization?

We always were smiling.

 

[Anonymous 10]

We always were smiling.

How come??

 

[UnconTROLLed]

My on-car was my center manager. Wanna guess why the demotion?

Too many drivers over 9.5 hours!

 

[UnconTROLLed]

Sleeve, this is a very good suggestion. I just have one question--does the electronic time clock show the date as well as the time?

The new system is on a pc, so you can just call up the date on the screen (windows calender or whatever the name is). All of your daily punches and codes are there too. All it takes is one photograph at the end of your shift.

 

[TUT]

It sounds like you should team up with integrity.

This can't be considered normal to work hours and not be paid for them, assuming hourly employment. If anyone here thinks that is normal, then it shows institutionalization on your part. I am not a UPS employee, I just find it very strange people are being shorted. Now if you are being told not to work and you are that is one thing, however if you are expected to work, you should fully expect to get paid for every rounded time interval. It's actually the law. Not sure what the argument is here really. I find it hard to believe a company of UPS stature and teams of lawyers would allow this.

 

[Catatonic]

As a salaried management person, your perspective on this issue is probably different from mine.

I spent the first 6 years of my career here fighting a daily battle for the "right" to pull over at noon, go to the bathroom, wash my hands and eat a sandwich for 30 minutes like a normal human being without having an additional 45 minutes deducted from my paycheck for the full hour lunch and break that I wasn't actually taking.

Things look different from behind a desk...perhaps you are the one who needs to "get out more"....

No doubt it is.

I've never had that happen to me or aware of it happening to anyone else. I know some ex-UPSers who messed with time cards but nothing like you describe. Sounds like you've grown a set since then.

Actually I do get out. I talk with management/salaried people and hourly people from other companies. UPS comes out very good in comparison but UPSers do work harder and longer than other company employees. The only "group" of people that work as hard and as long as UPSers are the self-employed people I know. I have extreme respect for people who are self-employed - they take a lot of risks and have to be very motivated.



PS - I was posting from my Blackberry earlier and could not insert a smiley ... that was meant as a flippant/wink retort. Peace Bro

 

[DS]

"but reading these forums, there are a lot of disturbing things going on...."

Just be aware you are probably hearing (reading) from 1/10 of 1% of the UPS employees.....

It happens a lot more than that.Human error is 1/10 of 1% responsible,unethical supervisors do it all the time if they think they might get away with it.They can always claim human error after the fact and be forced to pay through the grievance procedure,but someone new is afraid to say anything because he's running 2 hours overallowed as it is.
More.this is NOT the company it was when Bob was a center manager.

 

[satellitedriver]

This can't be considered normal to work hours and not be paid for them, assuming hourly employment. If anyone here thinks that is normal, then it shows institutionalization on your part. I am not a UPS employee, I just find it very strange people are being shorted. Now if you are being told not to work and you are that is one thing, however if you are expected to work, you should fully expect to get paid for every rounded time interval. It's actually the law. Not sure what the argument is here really. I find it hard to believe a company of UPS stature and teams of lawyers would allow this.

In my 24yrs with UPS, I have been paid for every minute I worked.
If ever there was a flaw in my pay, I just notified my sup and the problem is rectified.
Being a sat driver, that use to punch out over the phone, I learned early on to keep a log.
Now, I am on a dual Diad swap out system where my info is a day behind when downloaded at the center.
Old habits die hard,
I still have my day books going back to 1995 and can tell you how many miles, how many stops, how many pkg's, how many cod's, how many call tags, and the various extraneous happenings of the day.
Amazing what pen and paper can do in this electronic age.

 

[Catatonic]

This can't be considered normal to work hours and not be paid for them, assuming hourly employment. If anyone here thinks that is normal, then it shows institutionalization on your part. I am not a UPS employee, I just find it very strange people are being shorted. Now if you are being told not to work and you are that is one thing, however if you are expected to work, you should fully expect to get paid for every rounded time interval. It's actually the law. Not sure what the argument is here really. I find it hard to believe a company of UPS stature and teams of lawyers would allow this.

There may be a few bad apples who alter time cards but they get caught and are terminated or demoted - usually terminated.
These type of accusations are prevalent on BC but should not be taken seriously.

 

[TUT]

The last two responses is what I consider normal. So if you are an hourly employee and getting shorted. You have to take action yourself, it's wrong and unlawful.

 

[satellitedriver]

The last two responses is what I consider normal. So if you are an hourly employee and getting shorted. You have to take action yourself, it's wrong and unlawful.

Wrong and unlawful?
Yes.
Common practice?
Highly doubtful.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I have had the same positive experience as Sat in that I have also been paid for every minute that I have worked in my 21 years. If there were the occasional payroll error it was corrected in the next paycheck. I had an issue recently where my paystub was showing that I had 180 hours of vacation when I should have had 225. I mentioned this to my on-car who had our OMS clerk do a payroll inquiry. The change was reflected on my next paystub.

There is no more sure way to leave a bad taste in an employee's mouth than to mess with their pay.

 

[menotyou]

I can't count the times my pay has been wrong. OMS not entering my saturday timecard to having to grieve and get double pay. Was paid $535 once in just penalty pay. My building is the joke of the district. My old center manager, now on-car, regularly cut pay from paychecks and obviously still has a job. I watched him being escorted from the building when he was demoted. He cheated I don't know how many people and still works for UPS.