Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by SandW357, Aug 25, 2015.

  1. SandW357

    SandW357 New Member

    Just wondering if it's the same deal everywhere. Our center has us sheet packages as missed with "DMG" in the remarks as opposed to Refused -damaged. It seems a little shady to me, but that's what they want, so whatever. The problem is 99% of the time you end up with the same box the next day looking even worse after some clerk has opened and retaped it. If the person wasn't going to accept the day before, why would they now? It's embarrassing to say the least.
  2. porkwagon

    porkwagon Active Member

    Corporate directive for damages discovered on road is record as damaged. It was in the DIAD training several months ago.
  3. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Why are you even showing obviously damaged packages to the consignee? Sheet as "missed" with "damaged" in the remarks. If they re-wrap it and it looks worse the next day repeat the process until they re-wrap it in a new or like-new box.
  4. SandW357

    SandW357 New Member

    That's what I did. On the third day I sheeted is as Refused - didn't want with DMG in remarks. center manager was okay with it. The incident that prompted me to write this post was a laptop that one of the home school programs provide to families. It was the third one sent out (previous packages appeared to be fine, but were damaged nonetheless). The lady was understandably upset (I get it, not really my problem). My issue isn't with the fact that it was damaged, or even sent back out for that matter, it's that I remember the DIAD training expressly telling us to sheet Refused - damage and we're being told to do otherwise and being yelled at if we dont.
  5. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

  6. Future

    Future Victory Ride

    Instructed to scan as missed....no comment in remarks column....send message in to ctr explaining
  7. SandW357

    SandW357 New Member

    I didn't after the first attempt on the third package. The first two appeared to be fine, she signed for them only to find out they were damaged after the fact. Call tags were issued and replacements shipped.
  8. SandW357

    SandW357 New Member

    Agreed, I'll follow whatever procedure they tell me to do, WAD. Was just wondering if it was like that everywhere out of curiosity. Whatever is said or done in this forum has no bearing on what I'll do next time, just was curious.
  9. Wally

    Wally Hailing from Parts Unknown.

    DR and run. Management changes their tune on this so often nobody knows what to do? One day it's missed, then damaged, then refused, so who knows? Inspect was big for a while but that's out now in my parts.

    HEFFERNAN Huge Member

    Problem I noticed was WAD precedes our training.

    Had a box with an obviously broken item inside. Sheeted missed with DAMAGED in the remarks.
    Sent a message saying package missed/possible damage

    I get a message saying "What's wrong with it?"
    I say" Contents sounds broken, sheeting as missed per training"
    Next message " center manager doesn't want any missed, sheet as customer refused"

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  11. Dr.Brownz

    Dr.Brownz Well-Known Member

    You must not be able to read. He said it appeared fine but (when she opened it) it was damaged.
  12. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    He edited his post shortly after I made mine.

  13. Big Arrow Down...D

    Big Arrow Down...D Leave the gun,take the cannoli

    They told us the same exact thing...
  14. JL 0513

    JL 0513 Well-Known Member

    My center doesn't accept "missed" under any circumstances which opens up a whole can of worms. We are instructed to sheet refused, "didn't want". Even though you never made contact with the customer. I've already had a customer call in saying "hey, I didn't refuse it!" after they went online and saw it sheetfed as such.

    We have to break ethical rules so that it limits what UPS is on the hook for with damages. That's all this is.
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  15. UnsurePost

    UnsurePost making the unreadable unreadabler

    I don't see it as breaking ethical rules. UPS owns the package until it is signed for or released. I am not saying the flavor of the month handling of damages on-road is right, but that is how it is. UPS wants all drivers to question the method and call it in, let the center team decide, instead of the driver making his/her decision. Or there are obviously local practices. Here it is refused/didn't want, at least in the center I was in. ;) Another of many examples of less and less autonomy on the job because it could change any second...
  16. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Corporate says to sheet as missed.

    His center manager says to sheet as refused even though he never made contact with the customer.

    I'd say some ethical rules are being broken.
  17. JL 0513

    JL 0513 Well-Known Member

    I mean in a sense of how we are essentially falsifying records per directive. The "proper" way to sheet a damaged package is to sheet it damaged. Plain and simple. There's a soft key there for a reason. But now we have to sheet it refused when it was never refused.
  18. UnsurePost

    UnsurePost making the unreadable unreadabler

    Refused delivery by the driver..;P
  19. FrigidFTSup

    FrigidFTSup Resident Suit

    Our center has drivers sheet it as missed and bring to the clerk.
  20. AKCoverMan

    AKCoverMan Active Member

    If "dishonesty" is the cardinal sin that can get you walked out, then I don't see how you can be held accountable for not working as directed if they tell you the seet a package "refused" when the consignee has never seen the package and you fail to comply. If I was told to do this would refuse the request via ODS and sheet per corporate training.

    My center does not subscribe to these shenanigans thank goodness.

    "WAD" is all good and well until your told to do something dangerous, dishonest, unethical, or illegal.