tourists24
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bite me you green goop
Do all centers have 22.4 drivers?
- Thread starter LeBrown
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29 more stops for you tomorrow.
tourists24
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Bring it on BestSup...... oh wait.... I'm off
3 Day ride for you on MondayBring it on BestSup...... oh wait.... I'm off
sailfish
Master of Karate and Friendship for Everyone
I had five years in but I haven't hit 30 yet.
tourists24
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What else is new? ha
Jkloc420
Do you need an air compressor or tire gauge
get a lawyer
I'll get rid of all the filth that contaminates this place . it's sickening
542thruNthru
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Boy. Where to begin. I guess we can start by ruling out the because it sucks kind of thing. Everybody knows how much it sucks and why. That's obvious. So we'll delve into the more specific and thought out reasons, in no particular order.
I'll start by pointing out that I can vividly remember one big turning point of realization. Mind you, this was still several years before I finally quit. I was bringing stops for another driver that I had loaded with mine. He was an older guy, been doing this job quite a long time with his own route. I pulled up and as he came walking out of the truck with his knee brace on he takes one look at all the crap I brought and says to me, "Do you really want to do this the rest of your life?" I kinda laughed it off, but as I really thought to myself, the answer was no...
A few reasons were touched upon in this thread in fact. The writing's on the wall. Twenty to thirty years from now, UPS is going to be a very different place to work. There's absolutely no telling what exactly is in store, but I think we can all agree that it is headed downhill. Encroaching technology, more online commerce than the company can keep up with, a continually eroding union that gives more and more back every contract. Not to mention the absolute JOKE of air handling that was going on almost a year before I left and sounds like it has yet to be resolved. It's not looking bright.
So I'm not confident in the future of the job. Why else did I have to get out? Let's take a look at personal control, or lack thereof. As a UPS driver, you have virtually zero control over your workload, where you're going, how you're doing it, and when you're getting done. Yeah, 9.5, bid, the whole spiel. But let's be honest. That's not personal control. It's negotiating. And they couldn't give a stream of piss about what you have to say or what you might suggest to fix things.
On the flip side, at my current job, every morning we all sit down and have a meeting. We all discuss the jobs we have and the status of them. People give their plans, ask each other questions, and give their own suggestions or inputs. After that we are dispatched out and individually have the creative freedom to go about the job however we see best fit. We are problem solvers, and it's a very satisfying feeling. At UPS, my only option was to open wide and eat it, then ride the crazy train all the way to the scene of the crash.
So what else is there? Now let's talk about dependence. Driving for UPS pays well. That's a given. But why? Because of the union. Delivering is not a specialized skill or talent, thus UPS is the ONLY place where you will make that kind of money doing it. Go to another company and say you were a delivery driver for fifteen years and they're gonna say WDFD. Since I already had no confidence in UPS' future, I didn't want to also be dependent on them to earn a respectable income. I didn't want to be there for ten, fifteen, twenty years and have absolutely nothing to show for it skill-wise. I wanted to learn something and enter a field where I would be ever honing my skillset and knowledge base in something that's not only needed but very hard to come by and puts me in control in the job market. UPS wasn't that place.
On a similar note, there's the relocation thing. I don't mind living around here, but if I'm being honest it'll be mostly ghost towns in fifteen to twenty years. Then what? And maybe I'm not necessarily forced to relocate for reasons such as that, but maybe I just want to. To continue driving for UPS I would have to go through the "transfer" process and start at the bottom all over again. Being able to just take my skills and offer them elsewhere and negotiate my own wage right where I left off (or higher) just sounds much more appealing to me.
I was led to believe that this was a Monday through Friday job when I first signed up. Saturday air was bad enough but with Saturday ground on the horizon and Sunday delivery obviously following at some point, the appeal of a rigid schedule that I can plan around was lost.
So is there anything else? Yeah, actually. Quite a bit still. They probably don't necessitate getting as in-depth and more or less just put the nail in the coffin with the rest so I'll brush on them quick. I got tired of hating Christmas, really didn't want to spend the next thirty years doing that. I got tired of getting a knot in my stomach every time I saw snow in the forecast. I got tired of their double standards and appearance guideline bull. I got tired of my C.M.'s ugly mug. I got tired being on the verge of a nervous breakdown in the back of a
It was during Peak 2017 that I knew this was the end. I decided there would be no more questions or pondering. My mind was made up, and that perhaps served as the glimmer of hope or the cliched light at the end of the tunnel that helped pull me through and finish. There would be no more hollow threats of throwing in the towel. From there through the end of peak, when I said I was done I meant it. Just ask my driver helper. Peak ended and I gave my two weeks. I enjoyed a month off before taking a six-month technical training program and getting employed almost immediately after. I haven't looked back.
take your time
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Boy. Where to begin. I guess we can start by ruling out the because it sucks kind of thing. Everybody knows how much it sucks and why. That's obvious. So we'll delve into the more specific and thought out reasons, in no particular order.
I'll start by pointing out that I can vividly remember one big turning point of realization. Mind you, this was still several years before I finally quit. I was bringing stops for another driver that I had loaded with mine. He was an older guy, been doing this job quite a long time with his own route. I pulled up and as he came walking out of the truck with his knee brace on he takes one look at all the crap I brought and says to me, "Do you really want to do this the rest of your life?" I kinda laughed it off, but as I really thought to myself, the answer was no...
A few reasons were touched upon in this thread in fact. The writing's on the wall. Twenty to thirty years from now, UPS is going to be a very different place to work. There's absolutely no telling what exactly is in store, but I think we can all agree that it is headed downhill. Encroaching technology, more online commerce than the company can keep up with, a continually eroding union that gives more and more back every contract. Not to mention the absolute JOKE of air handling that was going on almost a year before I left and sounds like it has yet to be resolved. It's not looking bright.
So I'm not confident in the future of the job. Why else did I have to get out? Let's take a look at personal control, or lack thereof. As a UPS driver, you have virtually zero control over your workload, where you're going, how you're doing it, and when you're getting done. Yeah, 9.5, bid, the whole spiel. But let's be honest. That's not personal control. It's negotiating. And they couldn't give a stream of piss about what you have to say or what you might suggest to fix things.
On the flip side, at my current job, every morning we all sit down and have a meeting. We all discuss the jobs we have and the status of them. People give their plans, ask each other questions, and give their own suggestions or inputs. After that we are dispatched out and individually have the creative freedom to go about the job however we see best fit. We are problem solvers, and it's a very satisfying feeling. At UPS, my only option was to open wide and eat it, then ride the crazy train all the way to the scene of the crash.
So what else is there? Now let's talk about dependence. Driving for UPS pays well. That's a given. But why? Because of the union. Delivering is not a specialized skill or talent, thus UPS is the ONLY place where you will make that kind of money doing it. Go to another company and say you were a delivery driver for fifteen years and they're gonna say WDFD. Since I already had no confidence in UPS' future, I didn't want to also be dependent on them to earn a respectable income. I didn't want to be there for ten, fifteen, twenty years and have absolutely nothing to show for it skill-wise. I wanted to learn something and enter a field where I would be ever honing my skillset and knowledge base in something that's not only needed but very hard to come by and puts me in control in the job market. UPS wasn't that place.
On a similar note, there's the relocation thing. I don't mind living around here, but if I'm being honest it'll be mostly ghost towns in fifteen to twenty years. Then what? And maybe I'm not necessarily forced to relocate for reasons such as that, but maybe I just want to. To continue driving for UPS I would have to go through the "transfer" process and start at the bottom all over again. Being able to just take my skills and offer them elsewhere and negotiate my own wage right where I left off (or higher) just sounds much more appealing to me.
I was led to believe that this was a Monday through Friday job when I first signed up. Saturday air was bad enough but with Saturday ground on the horizon and Sunday delivery obviously following at some point, the appeal of a rigid schedule that I can plan around was lost.
So is there anything else? Yeah, actually. Quite a bit still. They probably don't necessitate getting as in-depth and more or less just put the nail in the coffin with the rest so I'll brush on them quick. I got tired of hating Christmas, really didn't want to spend the next thirty years doing that. I got tired of getting a knot in my stomach every time I saw snow in the forecast. I got tired of their double standards and appearance guideline bull
It was during Peak 2017 that I knew this was the end. I decided there would be no more questions or pondering. My mind was made up, and that perhaps served as the glimmer of hope or the cliched light at the end of the tunnel that helped pull me through and finish. There would be no more hollow threats of throwing in the towel. From there through the end of peak, when I said I was done I meant it. Just ask my driver helper. Peak ended and I gave my two weeks. I enjoyed a month off before taking a six-month technical training program and getting employed almost immediately after. I haven't looked back.
Why didn't you just go feeder, then?
take your time
Well-Known Member
Boy. Where to begin. I guess we can start by ruling out the because it sucks kind of thing. Everybody knows how much it sucks and why. That's obvious. So we'll delve into the more specific and thought out reasons, in no particular order.
I'll start by pointing out that I can vividly remember one big turning point of realization. Mind you, this was still several years before I finally quit. I was bringing stops for another driver that I had loaded with mine. He was an older guy, been doing this job quite a long time with his own route. I pulled up and as he came walking out of the truck with his knee brace on he takes one look at all the crap I brought and says to me, "Do you really want to do this the rest of your life?" I kinda laughed it off, but as I really thought to myself, the answer was no...
A few reasons were touched upon in this thread in fact. The writing's on the wall. Twenty to thirty years from now, UPS is going to be a very different place to work. There's absolutely no telling what exactly is in store, but I think we can all agree that it is headed downhill. Encroaching technology, more online commerce than the company can keep up with, a continually eroding union that gives more and more back every contract. Not to mention the absolute JOKE of air handling that was going on almost a year before I left and sounds like it has yet to be resolved. It's not looking bright.
So I'm not confident in the future of the job. Why else did I have to get out? Let's take a look at personal control, or lack thereof. As a UPS driver, you have virtually zero control over your workload, where you're going, how you're doing it, and when you're getting done. Yeah, 9.5, bid, the whole spiel. But let's be honest. That's not personal control. It's negotiating. And they couldn't give a stream of piss about what you have to say or what you might suggest to fix things.
On the flip side, at my current job, every morning we all sit down and have a meeting. We all discuss the jobs we have and the status of them. People give their plans, ask each other questions, and give their own suggestions or inputs. After that we are dispatched out and individually have the creative freedom to go about the job however we see best fit. We are problem solvers, and it's a very satisfying feeling. At UPS, my only option was to open wide and eat it, then ride the crazy train all the way to the scene of the crash.
So what else is there? Now let's talk about dependence. Driving for UPS pays well. That's a given. But why? Because of the union. Delivering is not a specialized skill or talent, thus UPS is the ONLY place where you will make that kind of money doing it. Go to another company and say you were a delivery driver for fifteen years and they're gonna say WDFD. Since I already had no confidence in UPS' future, I didn't want to also be dependent on them to earn a respectable income. I didn't want to be there for ten, fifteen, twenty years and have absolutely nothing to show for it skill-wise. I wanted to learn something and enter a field where I would be ever honing my skillset and knowledge base in something that's not only needed but very hard to come by and puts me in control in the job market. UPS wasn't that place.
On a similar note, there's the relocation thing. I don't mind living around here, but if I'm being honest it'll be mostly ghost towns in fifteen to twenty years. Then what? And maybe I'm not necessarily forced to relocate for reasons such as that, but maybe I just want to. To continue driving for UPS I would have to go through the "transfer" process and start at the bottom all over again. Being able to just take my skills and offer them elsewhere and negotiate my own wage right where I left off (or higher) just sounds much more appealing to me.
I was led to believe that this was a Monday through Friday job when I first signed up. Saturday air was bad enough but with Saturday ground on the horizon and Sunday delivery obviously following at some point, the appeal of a rigid schedule that I can plan around was lost.
So is there anything else? Yeah, actually. Quite a bit still. They probably don't necessitate getting as in-depth and more or less just put the nail in the coffin with the rest so I'll brush on them quick. I got tired of hating Christmas, really didn't want to spend the next thirty years doing that. I got tired of getting a knot in my stomach every time I saw snow in the forecast. I got tired of their double standards and appearance guideline bull
It was during Peak 2017 that I knew this was the end. I decided there would be no more questions or pondering. My mind was made up, and that perhaps served as the glimmer of hope or the cliched light at the end of the tunnel that helped pull me through and finish. There would be no more hollow threats of throwing in the towel. From there through the end of peak, when I said I was done I meant it. Just ask my driver helper. Peak ended and I gave my two weeks. I enjoyed a month off before taking a six-month technical training program and getting employed almost immediately after. I haven't looked back.
Well, if you feel happier away from UPS, that's what matters.
My only concern is all the older veterans are bald. All of them. The only one that isn't bald, has the easiest route in the center, and gets done by 4 PM, and that's our union steward.
A lot of the new guys started with a fresh set of hair last year, and already they are losing their hair......stress kills.
35years
Gravy route
Full head of hair.
Over 35 years down.
Stopped letting management affect me 20 years ago. I consider them temporary employees. I don't care what they say. If I have an accident, or am an hour over, get stuck in the snow, oh well.
I will proudly display all my warning letters as a collage at my retirement party.
Enjoy your route and customers. Don't hurry, ever. Mind you I don't steal time but I work at a normal person pace, not the normal UPS pace. They eventually give up and adjust the production numbers.
I use 9.5 grievances to control my hours. You have to be persistent. Have gone to panel over it.
The job is what you make of it. I dreaded it years ago. You have to decide management will not affect you. Take the time to enjoy the customers. Life is beautiful!
Over 35 years down.
Stopped letting management affect me 20 years ago. I consider them temporary employees. I don't care what they say. If I have an accident, or am an hour over, get stuck in the snow, oh well.
I will proudly display all my warning letters as a collage at my retirement party.
Enjoy your route and customers. Don't hurry, ever. Mind you I don't steal time but I work at a normal person pace, not the normal UPS pace. They eventually give up and adjust the production numbers.
I use 9.5 grievances to control my hours. You have to be persistent. Have gone to panel over it.
The job is what you make of it. I dreaded it years ago. You have to decide management will not affect you. Take the time to enjoy the customers. Life is beautiful!
KoennenTiger
Well-Known Member
No top rate guys have quit but of the eleven new (within two years) cover drivers we've hired? Five have now quit.
sailfish
Master of Karate and Friendship for Everyone
Lots of reasons. Probably would've been waiting another fifteen years minimum for one. I'm not banking my career at the mercy of a bid. And then that still doesn't solve all the problems I left for such as dependence on UPS and the union, no skill development, a declining company, and encroaching technology. Feeders will be the first to go when driverless vehicles gain traction. Not to mention it'd be harder to stay in shape with age and I would find it boring anyway. Long drives make me absolutely nuts.
For Sure
They already are on pay scale alone
Staydryitsraining
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I work in a major city where they say 100 people a day are moving here. According to dm we are growing 14% a year in volume. Xmas has been the easiest ever the last 3 years.
You sound like a frail, fragile, weak man who would let his wife get railed by other men because it would make her happy. Super sensitive to the point of being a "snow flake". Maybe you grew up in a easy going life where not alot went wrong and maybe your only troubling times were when old relatives died and that must have been super hard for you to over come. I thank God not every man is as soft as you are.Boy. Where to begin. I guess we can start by ruling out the because it sucks kind of thing. Everybody knows how much it sucks and why. That's obvious. So we'll delve into the more specific and thought out reasons, in no particular order.
I'll start by pointing out that I can vividly remember one big turning point of realization. Mind you, this was still several years before I finally quit. I was bringing stops for another driver that I had loaded with mine. He was an older guy, been doing this job quite a long time with his own route. I pulled up and as he came walking out of the truck with his knee brace on he takes one look at all the crap I brought and says to me, "Do you really want to do this the rest of your life?" I kinda laughed it off, but as I really thought to myself, the answer was no...
A few reasons were touched upon in this thread in fact. The writing's on the wall. Twenty to thirty years from now, UPS is going to be a very different place to work. There's absolutely no telling what exactly is in store, but I think we can all agree that it is headed downhill. Encroaching technology, more online commerce than the company can keep up with, a continually eroding union that gives more and more back every contract. Not to mention the absolute JOKE of air handling that was going on almost a year before I left and sounds like it has yet to be resolved. It's not looking bright.
So I'm not confident in the future of the job. Why else did I have to get out? Let's take a look at personal control, or lack thereof. As a UPS driver, you have virtually zero control over your workload, where you're going, how you're doing it, and when you're getting done. Yeah, 9.5, bid, the whole spiel. But let's be honest. That's not personal control. It's negotiating. And they couldn't give a stream of piss about what you have to say or what you might suggest to fix things.
On the flip side, at my current job, every morning we all sit down and have a meeting. We all discuss the jobs we have and the status of them. People give their plans, ask each other questions, and give their own suggestions or inputs. After that we are dispatched out and individually have the creative freedom to go about the job however we see best fit. We are problem solvers, and it's a very satisfying feeling. At UPS, my only option was to open wide and eat it, then ride the crazy train all the way to the scene of the crash.
So what else is there? Now let's talk about dependence. Driving for UPS pays well. That's a given. But why? Because of the union. Delivering is not a specialized skill or talent, thus UPS is the ONLY place where you will make that kind of money doing it. Go to another company and say you were a delivery driver for fifteen years and they're gonna say WDFD. Since I already had no confidence in UPS' future, I didn't want to also be dependent on them to earn a respectable income. I didn't want to be there for ten, fifteen, twenty years and have absolutely nothing to show for it skill-wise. I wanted to learn something and enter a field where I would be ever honing my skillset and knowledge base in something that's not only needed but very hard to come by and puts me in control in the job market. UPS wasn't that place.
On a similar note, there's the relocation thing. I don't mind living around here, but if I'm being honest it'll be mostly ghost towns in fifteen to twenty years. Then what? And maybe I'm not necessarily forced to relocate for reasons such as that, but maybe I just want to. To continue driving for UPS I would have to go through the "transfer" process and start at the bottom all over again. Being able to just take my skills and offer them elsewhere and negotiate my own wage right where I left off (or higher) just sounds much more appealing to me.
I was led to believe that this was a Monday through Friday job when I first signed up. Saturday air was bad enough but with Saturday ground on the horizon and Sunday delivery obviously following at some point, the appeal of a rigid schedule that I can plan around was lost.
So is there anything else? Yeah, actually. Quite a bit still. They probably don't necessitate getting as in-depth and more or less just put the nail in the coffin with the rest so I'll brush on them quick. I got tired of hating Christmas, really didn't want to spend the next thirty years doing that. I got tired of getting a knot in my stomach every time I saw snow in the forecast. I got tired of their double standards and appearance guideline bull
It was during Peak 2017 that I knew this was the end. I decided there would be no more questions or pondering. My mind was made up, and that perhaps served as the glimmer of hope or the cliched light at the end of the tunnel that helped pull me through and finish. There would be no more hollow threats of throwing in the towel. From there through the end of peak, when I said I was done I meant it. Just ask my driver helper. Peak ended and I gave my two weeks. I enjoyed a month off before taking a six-month technical training program and getting employed almost immediately after. I haven't looked back.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Because just smiling at them and saying yes pisses them off more than anything else.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
sailfish
Master of Karate and Friendship for Everyone
That's what you gather from someone who makes their own opportunities, takes what they want, and builds upon themselves? Please. You'd fall short of half the man I am on your best days.
