Dow 28000

[DriveInDriveOut]

Illogical.
If the Republicans' promised a free house to everyone in the country, would it be the Democrats' job to prove that it couldn't be afforded?

Even the Democrats themselves are saying Medicare for all would massively increase taxes on everyone including the middle class.

Only the extreme leftist nuts are still lying to people that we can afford it.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

Can you show me an American generation born in the 20th century born more destitute than the WWII generation?

You!

 

[bbsam]

OK show us your numbers including the future cost of a Medicare for all plan versus the future cost of the current system.

30 trillion over the next 10 years.

 

[rickyb]

The Cold Hard Truth is "It's all about choices!"
Living with the choices I made.

Determinism

 

[rickyb]

Almost every millenial has a smartphone. MANY of which cost upwards of 1K USD.
Get outta here with that "can't afford" crap.

Let's use the phrase "chose not to afford".

Rent. Min wage

 

[rickyb]

Because they are younger!
My generation was much poorer than my parent's generation until my generation reached the age of my parents at the point of original comparison. Not richer by much but our life expectancy is longer.

Wrong

 

[rickyb]

Your generation runs deficits.

This whole system is a deficit. we are taking more then we give back

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

Rent. Min wage

Almost no one has to work for minimum wage.

Anyone who can fog a mirror can make 14 bucks an hour for unskilled labor at my center.
Add a second job, and you'd be fine.

 

[bbsam]

This whole system is a deficit. we are taking more then we give back

And preaching that younger generations should save for their own future.

 

[bacha29]

Math proves we can't.
That's a fact.

Here are your own comments DIDO. So let me help you out here. Now we all heard loud and clear the estimated 33 trillion number. At the same time little attention was paid to a number equally deserving of the same attention. The estimated cost over the same time period of healthcare under the current system is 44 trillion.

At the same time many if not all plans to cut healthcare costs involves cutting payments to providers. It might get away with this for a little while but that's just it ....only for a little while.

The thing you guys at UPS whether your brown shirt or while shirt especially white shirt need to keep in mind is that when you leave the company you're leaving not as a retiree but rather you at that point become a "legacy cost" . A catchy little way to describe the fact that you're not making money for them anymore and that so called "legacy cost " to a considerable extent means healthcare costs to the company for retirees.

Now what is the one area where companies have publicly stated is the area where they are hell bent on reducing expenditures ? You got it...."legacy costs"

Think it can't happen to you. Just take a look at what Fat Freddy's doing over at Fedex. He knows that few if any Ground contractors provide their employees with anything at all in the way of employer funded benefits. The few who do provide benefits are more often than not cheap little "bronze" standard plans that pay at best about 60% of billed claims along with a hopelessly underfunded little 401K .

Seeing what they're doing Fat Freddy has set out not to cancel his own employees benefit plans , that would be very bad PR. Instead he's set out to completely dismantle it piece by piece over a span of several years and most importantly......do it quietly .

 

[rickyb]

And preaching that younger generations should save for their own future.

Younger generations have little to no future. Previous gens ed up, but we have to move on

 

[Old Man Jingles]

Determinism

Undetermined

 

[bbsam]

Even the Democrats themselves are saying Medicare for all would massively increase taxes on everyone including the middle class.

Only the extreme leftist nuts are still lying to people that we can afford it.

The US economy is over $20 trillion per year.

If we wanted to, we could afford it.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

The US economy is over $20 trillion per year.

If we wanted to, we could afford it.

That post demonstrates a superficial understanding of what comprises the ‘economy’ ... stick to non-STEM thinking. LOL

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

This whole system is a deficit. we are taking more then we give back

Not all of us.

 

[bbsam]

That post demonstrates a superficial understanding of what comprises the ‘economy’ ... stick to non-STEM thinking. LOL

It’s simply illustrative. For evangelicals, we’re talking little more than a tithe.

Now maybe you can stop thinking in terms of impossible.

 

[bbsam]

Not all of us.

Perhaps not individually, but definitely as a society.

 

[newfie]

and this room turned into a i hate trump thread

I've lost my room to the haters .

 

[newfie]

Here are your own comments DIDO. So let me help you out here. Now we all heard loud and clear the estimated 33 trillion number. At the same time little attention was paid to a number equally deserving of the same attention. The estimated cost over the same time period of healthcare under the current system is 44 trillion.

At the same time many if not all plans to cut healthcare costs involves cutting payments to providers. It might get away with this for a little while but that's just it ....only for a little while.

The thing you guys at UPS whether your brown shirt or while shirt especially white shirt need to keep in mind is that when you leave the company you're leaving not as a retiree but rather you at that point become a "legacy cost" . A catchy little way to describe the fact that you're not making money for them anymore and that so called "legacy cost " to a considerable extent means healthcare costs to the company for retirees.

Now what is the one area where companies have publicly stated is the area where they are hell bent on reducing expenditures ? You got it...."legacy costs"

Think it can't happen to you. Just take a look at what Fat Freddy's doing over at Fedex. He knows that few if any Ground contractors provide their employees with anything at all in the way of employer funded benefits. The few who do provide benefits are more often than not cheap little "bronze" standard plans that pay at best about 60% of billed claims along with a hopelessly underfunded little 401K .

Seeing what they're doing Fat Freddy has set out not to cancel his own employees benefit plans , that would be very bad PR. Instead he's set out to completely dismantle it piece by piece over a span of several years and most importantly......do it quietly .

dow went up another 30 today

 

[Old Man Jingles]

It’s simply illustrative. For evangelicals, we’re talking little more than a tithe.

Now maybe you can stop thinking in terms of impossible.

I have never tithed ... I’m a pay as you go type person.

I understand it is a matter of priorities and there are many other things I consider at a much higher level of prioritization.