Driver leaves in underwear

[Coldworld]

I don't agree with this. Are you saying that workers are fired just to "mess with them", so to speak? You say if it was known that they would leave permanently, we would fire our people a lot less. Do you believe that is the only way to get their attention? Seems like too much of a militant scare tactic and that more mutual respect would be a better answer. A father doesn't disown his son every time he makes a mistake; with the amount of time, energy, and money that is invested in a worker why don't we go about things in a different way instead of going off the deep end?

Absolutely, after 100 years you think ups might have learned this. I really didnt understand ties post either, does he care to elaborate??

 

[UnconTROLLed]

I don't agree with this. Are you saying that workers are fired just to "mess with them", so to speak? You say if it was known that they would leave permanently, we would fire our people a lot less. Do you believe that is the only way to get their attention? Seems like too much of a militant scare tactic and that more mutual respect would be a better answer. A father doesn't disown his son every time he makes a mistake; with the amount of time, energy, and money that is invested in a worker why don't we go about things in a different way instead of going off the deep end?

It is the only way that a supervisor or manager can show he /she has authority and use it to inflate their self-image and ego. Otherwise the union would run the show.

 

[Catatonic]

Originally Posted by tieguy
Not necessarily. If we knew firing you would result in your leaving permenently then we would fire our peple a lot less. But since you have a union we actually fire you more. We know we will then go through some negotiation process to determine what your actual discipline will be.

The union process gets you more discipline not less.

I don't agree with this. Are you saying that workers are fired just to "mess with them", so to speak? You say if it was known that they would leave permanently, we would fire our people a lot less.

I believe there is some truth to what tieguy is saying (damn, am I agreeing with tie?).
Also, if there are 10 terminations going up before the committee and the union gets 8 or 9 their jobs back, the union looks good.
Gotta play the game.

 

[upsgrunt]

I get tired of playing the game. I just want to go to work, do my job, go home, and retire.

 

[mungrin]

I get tired of playing the game. I just want to go to work, do my job, go home, and retire.

There is no game as long as you do your job.

 

[helenofcalifornia]

Not a game as long as you do your job? UPS is one big game. We are all players, just some are better than others. I enjoy playing the game. Usually within the rules, sometimes not. If it wasn't a game, it would be just a job and that's no fun. The "game" is trying to do better than I did before, doing it differently to see if it works better, trying to finish earlier with more stops, always trying to see the supes before they think I see them, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I know it is a job, but what helps me get through long days is the game playing that is so prevalent within management these days. (And they will never agree or concede my point about UPS being a game. Wouldn't expect them to, to them it is a JOB)

 

[iamhuge]

I call BS. The company can't "fire you on the spot", even for a cardinal sin. A shop steward has to be present. And at least in my building, the DM wants to know about it before the center manager whacks somebody.

insubordination is a cardinal sin

 

[iamhuge]

Refusing to follow a supervisors direct instruction is the one area where you can be fired on the spot. I'm kind of surprised you have not seen it happen before. I've seen about 10 times in my time. I think six or seven stuck.

Bingo, Are most of these guys working at Disneyland or UPS? I just thought the situation was funny and interesting. Cant beleive any ups employee would doubt that it was true.

 

[Jones]

Bingo, Are most of these guys working at Disneyland or UPS? I just thought the situation was funny and interesting. Cant beleive any ups employee would doubt that it was true.

You're the one from California . And I still don't buy this story.

 

[iamhuge]

Also, in our building a couple weeks ago, center managers were all on car. Also the Division Manager was on car. They just left one center manager in the building with some part time sups.

 

[Coldworld]

Also, in our building a couple weeks ago, center managers were all on car. Also the Division Manager was on car. They just left one center manager in the building with some part time sups.

Im surprised the dm even had browns that fit them...was he sporting the daisy dukes and the old school ups "trucker" mesh hat!!

 

[ups1990]

Could anyone tell if the driver had brown underwear?

 

[Catatonic]

Could anyone tell if the driver had brown underwear?

No ... but I bet the supervisor did!

 

[brownrodster]

This sounds made up.Also,arent the Teamsters there to help prevent things just like this from not happening?I didnt know you can get fired from UPS for parking legally.

This has to be a joke.

It would have been failure to follow instructions. However, since those instructions were to perform an illegal action I'm sure he will get his job back.

Afterall, "if it's unsafe then don't do it!"

 

[brownrodster]

Cuba?

. I try not to double park but there are instances where I have no choice. Well, to be fair, I do have a choice, but double parking provides me the most efficient manner in which to make the deliveries as I would have to drive around the corner and then use the hand cart.

Work as directed.

I also double park when I feel it's safe enough and will save me a significant amount of time.

As far as working as directed, we don't have to follow directions that are unsafe, illegal or dishonest.
Surely they can fire us for that (they can fire us at for anything at anytime), but the union will get us our job back. And if not the union then any competent labor lawyer would have an easy time with it (Cha-ching).

 

[soberups]

ARTICLE 18. SAFETY AND HEALTH EQUIPMENT,
ACCIDENTS AND REPORTS

Preamble
The Employer and the Union agree that the safety of the employees and the general public is of utmost importance.....
.....Under no circumstances will an employee be required or assigned to engage in any activity involving dangerous conditions of work or danger to a person or property or in violation of a government regulation relating to safety of person or equipment. ......
It shall not be a violation of this Agreement, or cause for disciplinary action, where employees refuse to operate equipment or a vehicle when such operation constitutes a violation of any state or federal rules, regulations, standards or orders applicable to commercial motor vehicle safety or health, or because of the employee�s reasonable apprehension of serious injury to himself/herself or the public due to the unsafe conditions......

Bottom line; the sup instructed the driver to do something unsafe and illegal. Refusal to break the law or work unsafely is not insubordination.
The appropriate action for the driver to have taken...would have been to pull over at the first safe place, hand the keys to the sup, and let him decide where to park.

 

[soberups]

Could anyone tell if the driver had brown underwear?

The sup who tries to fire me for refusing to park illegally or unsafely is the one who is going to have brown undewear...once he is able to get my Business Agents foot out of his ass.

 

[soberups]

The union process gets you more discipline not less.

The discipline you get under the "union process" usually winds up being a warning letter, to be determined by a labor agreement and a grievance panel.

The discipline you get without a "union process" usually winds up being suspension or termination, at the sole discretion of the employer.

I'll take "more" discipline with the union process, thanks.

 

[Johney]

Originally Posted by Griff
It's just like anything else at UPS, if you display that you're a willing victim -- expect to be victimized every day

I've seen that before somewhere???

 

[squirlygirly]

Having spent many days in SF ( commonly just called " the city " ), I can tell you that finding any open parking spots is extremely rare. Also since most if not all townhouses have built in garages with driveways on some streets there can be no legal spaces anywhere. I hardly ever saw anyone double park, also one did not block any driveways.
I can believe that this driver did in fact leave without his uniform, the stresses we all have to take on a daily basis can cause such an outcome. ( heck I've thought about doing the same for quite some time ).
Plus one has to remember that when it rains in SF most people don't bother to go to work.

Kudos, Baba!!! It's unforunate alot of conclusions that are being drawn from those who probably have never even seen our fair city (S.friend.).

Don't get me wrong, I agree that, yes, you can, for sure, without a doubt be canned not following direct orders.

But San Francisco is one of the trickiest, B.S. places to deliver in for the simple fact that double-parking is pretty much unavoidable, illegal, but absolutely unavoidable in this business.

Might I also add that the drivers actually make a dollar or two more an hour than any other hub/center in california simply because the job sucks, but someone's gotta do it.