Elon Musk Exposes the Hatred of Free Speech

fishtm2001

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1. Campaigns of all ideological stripes have direct lines into social media companies and make requests about offending content. There is nothing at all strange about what is shown in these emails. If Jeb’s kid’s grundle was posted by a Chinese troll, we surely would’ve flagged that for the company in the hopes they deleted it, and I suspect their internal correspondence on the matter would’ve been identical. This would not have been a “demand” or a “dictate” from our campaign, mind you. Companies can do what they want.

2. In this specific instance, the requests came from a campaign that has absolutely no government authority at all. At the time of the correspondence in question, Joe Biden was a private citizen running for office, while Donald Trump was the president. Taibbi acknowledges that Trump’s White House made requests that “were received and honored” and that “there’s no evidence—that I’ve seen—of any government involvement in the laptop story.” So if there are any First Amendment issues at play here—and I don’t believe there are since neither Musk nor Taibbi have demonstrated that the government made any mandates on Twitter—they would, in this case, only relate to the material that Trump wanted removed.

3. Why MAGA Republicans and Elon Musk are so adamant that people be able to post photos of Hunter’s johnson is something that should probably be explored with their respective preachers or psychiatrists, but it is certainly not a matter for constitutional scholars or litigators. While Mr. Lisbon from the Virgin Suicides may derive a depraved type of happiness from publishing pictures of other people’s genitals on a private company’s public bulletin board without the approval of those pictured, the First Amendment does not bestow upon him the right to prevent the company from taking down the offending material.

To sum up what we learned: Big penis, little news, First Amendment not under threat.

Musk and Taibbi have promised more editions of the “Twitter Files” in the coming days, maybe next time they won’t come up so limp.

Tim Miller, former communications director for Jeb Bush
 

vantexan

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1. Campaigns of all ideological stripes have direct lines into social media companies and make requests about offending content. There is nothing at all strange about what is shown in these emails. If Jeb’s kid’s grundle was posted by a Chinese troll, we surely would’ve flagged that for the company in the hopes they deleted it, and I suspect their internal correspondence on the matter would’ve been identical. This would not have been a “demand” or a “dictate” from our campaign, mind you. Companies can do what they want.

2. In this specific instance, the requests came from a campaign that has absolutely no government authority at all. At the time of the correspondence in question, Joe Biden was a private citizen running for office, while Donald Trump was the president. Taibbi acknowledges that Trump’s White House made requests that “were received and honored” and that “there’s no evidence—that I’ve seen—of any government involvement in the laptop story.” So if there are any First Amendment issues at play here—and I don’t believe there are since neither Musk nor Taibbi have demonstrated that the government made any mandates on Twitter—they would, in this case, only relate to the material that Trump wanted removed.

3. Why MAGA Republicans and Elon Musk are so adamant that people be able to post photos of Hunter’s johnson is something that should probably be explored with their respective preachers or psychiatrists, but it is certainly not a matter for constitutional scholars or litigators. While Mr. Lisbon from the Virgin Suicides may derive a depraved type of happiness from publishing pictures of other people’s genitals on a private company’s public bulletin board without the approval of those pictured, the First Amendment does not bestow upon him the right to prevent the company from taking down the offending material.

To sum up what we learned: Big penis, little news, First Amendment not under threat.

Musk and Taibbi have promised more editions of the “Twitter Files” in the coming days, maybe next time they won’t come up so limp.

Tim Miller, former communications director for Jeb Bush
Musk is releasing not only documentation of coordinated efforts between Twitter, the DNC, and the Biden campaign concerning the Hunter Biden laptop, but also between Twitter and the Biden White House on censoring a range of issues. Also Democratic Congressmen were made aware of this and were accepting of it except so far Congressman Ro Khanna who had serious concerns about 1st Amendment issues. Ironically he's a representative for the Silicon Valley area.
 

newfie

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Musk is releasing not only documentation of coordinated efforts between Twitter, the DNC, and the Biden campaign concerning the Hunter Biden laptop, but also between Twitter and the Biden White House on censoring a range of issues. Also Democratic Congressmen were made aware of this and were accepting of it except so far Congressman Ro Khanna who had serious concerns about 1st Amendment issues. Ironically he's a representative for the Silicon Valley area.
its a fascinating insight into how our government is influencing elections through "private companies"
 

vantexan

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its a fascinating insight into how our government is influencing elections through "private companies"
And amazingly when it comes to our government coordinating with Big Tech it's to the benefit of one political party. And as we've already seen here they're trying to brush it off after being caught redhanded.
 

fishtm2001

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Musk is releasing not only documentation of coordinated efforts between Twitter, the DNC, and the Biden campaign concerning the Hunter Biden laptop, but also between Twitter and the Biden White House on censoring a range of issues. Also Democratic Congressmen were made aware of this and were accepting of it except so far Congressman Ro Khanna who had serious concerns about 1st Amendment issues. Ironically he's a representative for the Silicon Valley area.
Twitter will go the way of Truth Social and Parlor which is better than having a massive social media platform subject to Elon's whims.
 

newfie

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And amazingly when it comes to our government coordinating with Big Tech it's to the benefit of one political party. And as we've already seen here they're trying to brush it off after being caught redhanded.
in fairness to the issue the republicans have tried to also steer big tech. Clearly they're not as effective at it and dont have the political alignment with liberal big tech that the dems do. the dems have been very good at building relationships with big tech and using that to their advantage.
 

vantexan

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Twitter will go the way of Truth Social and Parlor which is better than having a massive social media platform subject to Elon's whims.
It's a whim to publish what was going on there before he arrived? What you might see after Republicans take power again is Twitter and others losing their protected status. We can certainly see why Democrats in Congress were against taking that from them. Imagine the lawsuits if they lost their protection.
 

fishtm2001

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It's a whim to publish what was going on there before he arrived? What you might see after Republicans take power again is Twitter and others losing their protected status. We can certainly see why Democrats in Congress were against taking that from them. Imagine the lawsuits if they lost their protection.
The Elon issue is not new. After all, your hero Rupert Murdoch has been broadcasting his imaginary world to America for decades, highlighting hot button super important national issues like the War on Christmas and Obama’s tan suit.
 

newolddude

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You’ll be shocked to learn what party she’s a member of and run for office as.


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vantexan

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in fairness to the issue the republicans have tried to also steer big tech. Clearly they're not as effective at it and dont have the political alignment with liberal big tech that the dems do. the dems have been very good at building relationships with big tech and using that to their advantage.
That's true. About the only way Republicans can affect Big Tech is threatening to remove the protected status they enjoy. What Musk is revealing is it's extraordinarily one sided. Ro Khanna reminds me of that Congressman in the Abscam scandal who refused to take a bribe. At least there are some ethical Congressmen left in the Democratic Party.
 

newfie

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Twitter will go the way of Truth Social and Parlor which is better than having a massive social media platform subject to Elon's whims.
have you been paying attention ? Twitters user base has actually grown to record levels despite a few vocal liberals trying to make it sound like everyone is leaving.

Elon appears to have solidified his standing with the apple servers

and most importantly after a pause from some advertisers it appears they are returning .
 

newfie

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That's true. About the only way Republicans can affect Big Tech is threatening to remove the protected status they enjoy. What Musk is revealing is it's extraordinarily one sided. Ro Khanna reminds me of that Congressman in the Abscam scandal who refused to take a bribe. At least there are some ethical Congressmen left in the Democratic Party.
yea i see him on fox too where most democrats dont like getting questioned on their positions.

as far as the republcan threats thats the wrong tactic. they need to work it like the dems do and take the tech guys out for a beer or latte every now and then.
 

vantexan

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The Elon issue is not new. After all, your hero Rupert Murdoch has been broadcasting his imaginary world to America for decades, highlighting hot button super important national issues like the War on Christmas and Obama’s tan suit.
Which when presented to people they can make their mind up about its relevance. Hiding that the son of the Democratic nominee was using his dad's government positions to peddle influence to the tune of millions for himself and his dad and uncle is certainly an issue that people should have been aware of before they voted.
 

vantexan

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yea i see him on fox too where most democrats dont like getting questioned on their positions.

as far as the republcan threats thats the wrong tactic. they need to work it like the dems do and take the tech guys out for a beer or latte every now and then.
Will being friendly change the minds of the ideologically driven? Big Tech is full of woke progressives who despise Republicans.
 

fishtm2001

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have you been paying attention ? Twitters user base has actually grown to record levels despite a few vocal liberals trying to make it sound like everyone is leaving.

Elon appears to have solidified his standing with the apple servers

and most importantly after a pause from some advertisers it appears they are returning .
 

newfie

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The Elon issue is not new. After all, your hero Rupert Murdoch has been broadcasting his imaginary world to America for decades, highlighting hot button super important national issues like the War on Christmas and Obama’s tan suit.
imagine the outrage if we tried to change the greetings for Ramadan to something politically generic like happy holidays.

at least republicans mocked Obama in something he looked good in. With Trump there was a concerted effort to create pics that made him always look his worst. Suddenly a guy who is probably around 250 which is still overweight by 30 or 40 pounds is shown in photo's that make him look 100 pounds over.
 
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