Employees violating the contract?

[stevetheupsguy]

This is what frustrates me about our current management. I have seen an on-car tell one driver it's okay to do a certain thing and then turn around and give another driver a warning letter for doing the same thing just because he didn't like the second driver.

And then they send that same on-car out with the 2nd driver, who gets told a week later that he needs to run so many stops per hour based on a biased "one day" OJS. There is no room for bias at this job. You guys, (and you know very well who "you guys" are) need to start treating hourlies with dignity and a lot more respect.

 

[Dis-organized Labor]

This is what frustrates me about our current management. I have seen an on-car tell one driver it's okay to do a certain thing and then turn around and give another driver a warning letter for doing the same thing just because he didn't like the second driver.

Sometimes it's an attempt to change the behavior of the 2nd person.
It's not easy being scrutinized by a group of people and expected to make the perfect decision each time.

 

[ol'browneye]

Sometimes it's an attempt to change the behavior of the 2nd person.
It's not easy being scrutinized by a group of people and expected to make the perfect decision each time.

No, I think it's because the driver is just old and runs 2 hours late everyday. I have heard the supe make comments about the driver's age before.

 

[stevetheupsguy]

Sometimes it's an attempt to change the behavior of the 2nd person.
It's not easy being scrutinized by a group of people and expected to make the perfect decision each time.

This is true, but when you're talking about someone that is constantly trying to butt heads instead of using some easy managerial skills, then we have a problem. For instance, if you say supe A used to be a driver, so he should be able to reason with the driver's, since he once was in the same boat. This doesn't always happen. Sometimes the former driver develops the, I can do that better than you. attitude and never pays attention to the fact that we are all different. Even if certain supes were runner/gunner types to begin with.

I'm not branding all supes or MGMT with the same label. I've known some supes and managers that were the best at running things. Sure people tried to push their buttons, but they never wavered. It makes me feel bad for the hotheads that try to run things with their steamroller's.

Anyways, that's my last rant for the week, LOL........Carry on.

 

[anonymous6]

Just curious and never thought about it before now that a contract is between two parties so that means that both parties can violate the contract but all I ever hear about is the company violating the contract.
Is the contract between UPS and the Union or between UPS and it's bargaining unit employees?

When an employee takes 5 minutes extra for their lunch or a break, is that considered "violating our contract".

How about when an employee is disciplined? Is that because they violated the contract?

Interesting subject ... what do you think?

Yes, It is a two-way street.

 

[brownmonster]

Supes are human. Everyone of them gives breaks to the guys/gals that are going above and beyond and the keep the screws to the ones that are a constant pain in the butt.

 

[anonymous6]

Supes are human. Everyone of them gives breaks to the guys/gals that are going above and beyond and the keep the screws to the ones that are a constant pain in the butt.

most of the time , the constant pains in the butt are the drivers who just do their jobs and don't go above and beyond . ( in the supes opinion )

 

[stevetheupsguy]

Supes are human. Everyone of them gives breaks to the guys/gals that are going above and beyond and the keep the screws to the ones that are a constant pain in the butt.

most of the time , the constant pains in the butt are the drivers who just do their jobs and don't go above and beyond . ( in the supes opinion )

Very true!

 

[Dustyroads]

Lots of talk here about that extra five minute break. Since, in this thread, Hoaxter seemed to suggest that there should be parity in treatment of both management and labor workers, I'm just wondering, if my supervisor or manager takes an extra five minutes of break during the day to take care of personal business when he or she were performing their jobs at ups, are they guilty of stealing time. In fact, can a supervisor or manager steal time at all, or is a certain amount of goofing off built into their planned day. Hoaxter, I think we both know that we're comparing apples and oranges and that the rules that apply for making a pie don't apply to both.

 

[brownmonster]

Lots of talk here about that extra five minute break. Since, in this thread, Hoaxter seemed to suggest that there should be parity in treatment of both management and labor workers, I'm just wondering, if my supervisor or manager takes an extra five minutes of break during the day to take care of personal business when he or she were performing their jobs at ups, are they guilty of stealing time. In fact, can a supervisor or manager steal time at all, or is a certain amount of goofing off built into their planned day. Hoaxter, I think we both know that we're comparing apples and oranges and that the rules that apply for making a pie don't apply to both.

The mgmnt can justify a little extra break time because of their long hours. Our long hours don't include extra break time.

 

[Bubblehead]

I will bet that you would not say that if we were face to face--you have a case of internet cajones.

I'm your huckleberry.
That's just my game.

 

[Scooter1]

Employee should be held liable when violating the contract because it can undermine other employees. An example of this is employees working off the clock. We had an employee that would work through break without compensation. His excuse was he just wanted to clean up his area of packages so he could go home early. In reality he was robbing another employee of 10 minutes worth of work. This was in an air operation that only has a 3 hr guarantee, so 10 minutes is a good chunk of thier time. The employees complained to the union and the BA threatened to file charges against the employee for violating the contract.

When I see employees working during break, I break it down to them this way. It may seem like only 10 minutes, but multiply by a week (5 days) and it becomes 50 minutes a week, a month and it's a full day work of work, a year and you have already worked approximately 2 1/2 weeks for free.

I tell employees if they want to work for free, maybe they can stay after work (or come in during their vacation) and wash management's cars or make coffee for them. That way they are not affecting the pay of other union members.

 

[unionman]

I love violating UPS.

 

[UPSSOCKS]

I've had 3 drivers terminated for taking more time on their break than they were allowed. I won all 3 at panel. Just keep dispensing your words of wisdom, and we'll just keep winning our cases. There MAY be some people on this site that actually take your advice; perhaps you may want to tell them the way things really are instead of the way you wish they were. Man, I wish you were a steward in my building, I'd be invicible. I go by the realities of the contract, you go by rhetoric that is not only "teamsterly optimistic", but is actually purely false.

Fire, Fire, Fire..... I love it.... Just let these guys talk, because young workers get on here and read this stuff. These kids go to work the next day thinking they can do anything they want because they have a union. And one day puff!!! They don't have a job. When I escort a recently terminated employee out of the building, I like to walk them right past the steward. I like when they lock eyes and the kid realizes no one is there for them. I like when it sets in that his hard earned union dues were a waste of money.

 

[UPSSOCKS]

Sometimes it's an attempt to change the behavior of the 2nd person.
It's not easy being scrutinized by a group of people and expected to make the perfect decision each time.

I play favorites all the time. It turns the workers against one another. I love it. Then I sit them both down for not being able to work together. Works every time....

 

[Lue C Fur]

Fire, Fire, Fire..... I love it.... Just let these guys talk, because young workers get on here and read this stuff. These kids go to work the next day thinking they can do anything they want because they have a union. And one day puff!!! They don't have a job. When I escort a recently terminated employee out of the building, I like to walk them right past the steward. I like when they lock eyes and the kid realizes no one is there for them. I like when it sets in that his hard earned union dues were a waste of money.

What i enjoy is when i catch my stupidvisor doing my job and i file and grievance and then i get a extra check that week...cha ching!!!!

 

[UPSSOCKS]

And then they send that same on-car out with the 2nd driver, who gets told a week later that he needs to run so many stops per hour based on a biased "one day" OJS. There is no room for bias at this job. You guys, (and you know very well who "you guys" are) need to start treating hourlies with dignity and a lot more respect.

No no no no, you guys, (and you know very well who "you guys" are) need to get to work, and stop worrying about your feelings getting hurt. You do the job correctly and you won't ever have to worry about some 18 year old kid picking on you.....

 

[UPSSOCKS]

What i enjoy is when i catch my stupidvisor doing my job and i file and grievance and then i get a extra check that week...cha ching!!!!

I bet you have never even filed a grievance....

 

[Lue C Fur]

I bet you have never even filed a grievance....

And i bet your a total dork that gets laughed at a pushed around all day by the Teamsters...

Hey i think you buddy DOL just called and says he needs your help....LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

 

[stevetheupsguy]

No no no no, you guys, (and you know very well who "you guys" are) need to get to work, and stop worrying about your feelings getting hurt. You do the job correctly and you won't ever have to worry about some 18 year old kid picking on you.....

Damned snot nosed kids!