guns

[menotyou]

What they(whoever) don't understand is they(whomever) would be disarming the largest militia in the world. Who ever tries to outlaw guns, right/left/purple/green, they would be doing a huge disservice to America.

 

[trplnkl]

What they(whoever) don't understand is they(whomever) would be disarming the largest militia in the world. Who ever tries to outlaw guns, right/left/purple/green, they would be doing a huge disservice to America.

I beg to differ, IMO they fully know it would be disarming the largest militia in the world. That is the goal.

 

[bbsam]

Since we appear close to it anyway, I would like to know what people thing the Second Ammendment means by a "well regulated militia". If it allows people to own all manner of weapon, is it not the pervue of the government to pass gun control laws to "regulate" the militia? Your local National Guardsman can't walk into the local grocery store with a locked-and-loaded M-16, can he? I don't see where the limits of this vague language are.

 

[dilligaf]

Dilli, I also sleep in peace every night with nary a gun in sight. I travel freely and live freely without the worry of having to defend myself. I also do not live in fear.

Dave, I know and I understand (at least a little bit) your history with guns and your distaste for them. I don't blame you for your feelings towards them, sweetie. Not in the least. And I am not saying that you have to have them for any reason. All I am saying is that if I choose to have them, for whatever reason, that is my right. The likes of TOS and Klein (and others) would ban guns for reasons based on their prejudices and against my Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. The Constitution does not say we HAVE to keep and bear arms. It is absolutely your right to NOT. Just don't tell me I can't. And don't make up lies (not you specifically) to support your theories about gun control. I believe (correct me if I am wrong) that you, with your military background, understand the need for armament and the protection of our Constitutional rights. I choose to believe that that armament should be extended to the civilian population as well as military and police. That is what the 2nd Amendment is about according to the Supreme Court.

THE SECOND AMENDMENT CONTROVERSY -- EXPLAINED

http://adams.patriot.net/~tlj/xplainds.htm


Second Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I collect guns because I can, because I want to. If the need ever arose I would use them in defense of myself, my family, my home and property. I don't 'need' them to 'feel' safe. I have them because it is my choice to have them.

 

[dilligaf]

Since we appear close to it anyway, I would like to know what people thing the Second Ammendment means by a "well regulated militia". If it allows people to own all manner of weapon, is it not the pervue of the government to pass gun control laws to "regulate" the militia? Your local National Guardsman can't walk into the local grocery store with a locked-and-loaded M-16, can he? I don't see where the limits of this vague language are.

​BB I attached 3 links to my post to Dave. 1 link is just an abbreviated blah blah blah from Wikipedia. The other 2 are a comprehensive look at the 2nd Amendment Rights. There is a lot of information there that seems to be very informative and unambiguous. It is a well documented look at the 2nd Amendment based on historical data including court rulings. Of the 2 links the 2nd one is and 'easy read' version of the first. (HA, not sure about how 'easy' it is).

 

[tourists24]

Reminds me of a joke I once heard..... A cop pulls a 94 year old woman.... She informs him that she has a concealed carry permit and has 3 handguns... One in her glove compartment, one in the cubby next to her, and one in her purse. The cop steps back and says "Geez lady, what in the world are you scared of?"... Her reply: "Not a damn thing!"

 

[dilligaf]

I've heard the same joke AZ style. LOL A lot more than 3 guns were involved.

 

[soberups]

WOW a gun in san clemente! Must be dangerous in your part of the hood!

Give us abreak. Having a gun and not touching it for 11 years shows there is no need to own it in the first place.

Peace.

I keep a small fire extinguisher in the kitchen cabinet next to my stove. I think I bought it 10 or 11 years ago. Havent used it yet. Does than mean I should go ahead and get rid of it?

 

[soberups]

Sorry bub, but ill chose to live in peace and quiet. I choose to live in a neighborhood where I dont need to have a gun or sleep with one within 100 miles of one. Ill make the choice to live my life in areas where I dont fear my neighbors, but embrace them as friends.

You all can live in the trenches where you have to live with your head on a swivel and your hands on an ammo clip and a pistol.

I prefer not to be a scaredy cat.

Peace

I am glad that you are fortunate enough to live in an exclusive, gated community.

I am glad that you are fortunate enough to be able to hire out the "dirty work" of your own security to the police whom you will call when and if your safety is ever threatened.

I am glad that you have deluded yourself into thinking that you will never have to fear anybody.

You want to hear a dirty little secret? Well here it is. Even though you would not deign to sully your pristine hands by touching one of those icky, yucky guns....you directly benefit from the fact that people like me own them.

There is a reason that home invasions are far less common here than in countries like England. The reason...is that a would-be home invader is well aware of the fact that there is a better than 50% chance that the home he is breaking into belongs to someone with a gun who can fight back. So even if you are one of the 50% who doesnt own a gun....you are getting a free ride from those of us who do.

The reality...is that you are a bigot. You are ignorant and fearful of guns, therefore you are bigoted and fearful of those who own them. You make ignorant and unfounded generalizations about people like myself who choose to take personal responsibility for their own well being instead of relying on the police to do it for them.

Not everyone is as priveledged as you are. Not everyone can live in a gated community. Some of us live in rural areas, where a response to a 911 call might take half an hour or more. Not everyone has the ability to blissfully place their own security into the hands of others. Be grateful that you are one of those people...but try not to crap on the heads of the rest of us from your lofty moral perch.

 

[cachsux]

I keep a small fire extinguisher in the kitchen cabinet next to my stove. I think I bought it 10 or 11 years ago. Havent used it yet. Does than mean I should go ahead and get rid of it?

What are you, a sissie who has to live in fear of a fire?

 

[klein]

Are you looking forward to xmas ?
A lot of guns will be put into usage, like every other Christmas.
Most suicides of the year, and most of them done by guns. (easy and quick).

 

[cachsux]

Are you looking forward to xmas ?
A lot of guns will be put into usage, like every other Christmas.
Most suicides of the year, and most of them done by guns. (easy and quick).

Give me a gunshot over a knife stabbing or a burning bed incident.

Be careful next weekend. The lonely, unemployed, and alcoholics are the first ones to give it a try.

 

[klein]

Give me a gunshot over a knife stabbing or a burning bed incident.

Be careful next weekend. The lonely, unemployed, and alcoholics are the first ones to give it a try.

Yeah, I suppose you are right, and the suicide rate would remain the same, if they didn't own a gun.
But, I highly doubt it.

 

[tourists24]

Give me a gunshot over a knife stabbing or a burning bed incident.

Be careful next weekend. The lonely, unemployed, and alcoholics are the first ones to give it a try.

Dang,,,, Klein fits at least 2 of those 3,,,,

 

[soberups]

Are you looking forward to xmas ?
A lot of guns will be put into usage, like every other Christmas.
Most suicides of the year, and most of them done by guns. (easy and quick).

Most suicides, regardless of the method employed, are directly or indirectly related to alcohol or substance abuse.

Alcohol is directly related to far more deaths each year than guns, yet I dont hear the Kliens or the TOS's advocating for stricter controls on alcohol.

How about it? Lets employ the same logic to alcohol that we do to guns. Lets require background checks for every alcohol purchase. Lets require registration of each and every bottle of alcohol, along with requiring child-proof cap locks. Lets prohibit "high capacity" 40-ounce beer bottles that serve no "social drinking purpose". Lets limit sales of alcohol to one bottle per month, with a 3 day waiting period, and require fingerprinting of all alcohol purchasers. Lets require than all bottles of alcohol be locked in a case in the trunk of the car to prevent drinking and driving. All we need are a few "common sense" alcohol laws to protect us from this evil substance. Hey, if it will save one child........

 

[cachsux]

Yeah, I suppose you are right, and the suicide rate would remain the same, if they didn't own a gun.
But, I highly doubt it.

What ever you want to ASSume.

 

[cachsux]

Hey, if it will save one child........

Save one...............prevent another half a dozen.

 

[klein]

Most suicides, regardless of the method employed, are directly or indirectly related to alcohol or substance abuse.

Alcohol is directly related to far more deaths each year than guns, yet I dont hear the Kliens or the TOS's advocating for stricter controls on alcohol.

How about it? Lets employ the same logic to alcohol that we do to guns. Lets require background checks for every alcohol purchase. Lets require registration of each and every bottle of alcohol, along with requiring child-proof cap locks. Lets prohibit "high capacity" 40-ounce beer bottles that serve no "social drinking purpose". Lets limit sales of alcohol to one bottle per month, with a 3 day waiting period, and require fingerprinting of all alcohol purchasers. Lets require than all bottles of alcohol be locked in a case in the trunk of the car to prevent drinking and driving. All we need are a few "common sense" alcohol laws to protect us from this evil substance. Hey, if it will save one child........

Somewhat, I doubt that. It's a close call though.
I say most suicides are caused by financial stress and relationship problems.

A drunk or druggie would have a very hard time trying to hang up a rope to kill him/herself, or to drive/walk to a bridge (unless ofcourse they had a gun).

 

[pickup]

Somewhat, I doubt that. It's a close call though.
I say most suicides are caused by financial stress and relationship problems.

A drunk or druggie would have a very hard time trying to hang up a rope to kill him/herself, or to drive/walk to a bridge (unless ofcourse they had a gun).

Klein, after he read this post, here is what George Takei thinks of you:

This is what George Takei thinks of you - YouTube

 

[cachsux]

Somewhat, I doubt that. It's a close call though.
I say most suicides are caused by financial stress and relationship problems.

A drunk or druggie would have a very hard time trying to hang up a rope to kill him/herself, or to drive/walk to a bridge (unless ofcourse they had a gun).

It`s amazing at how good you are at talking out of your butt.