wkmac, From my understanding, the APWA has been designated by the NLRB as a national bargaining unit, which means the certification election will be national as well. The local by local setup, which we are all used to, does not apply. This was a key point I learned at the Louisville meeting I attended about one month ago. Once 30% of UPS employees on a national level sign a petition, the certification election can be held. If I'm not mistaken, this determination will be made once the APWA has enough members - i.e., an APWA membership card serves as a proxy in this regard. If the APWA gets certified, the Teamsters are out nationally. However, I don't know what the APWA's internal structure will be for matters on the local and/or regional level. One question I find intriguing is, with the IBT elections coming up, will this help get APWA's competing message out? The APWA could act as a potential off-ballot third party alternative, if the UPS membership doesn't like Hoffa's or the TDU's message. All-in-all, this should be a healthy process because it should get the average rank-and-filer thinking a bit.