Have you ever lost your route?

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by ASFN, Feb 2, 2015.

  1. Grey

    Grey Active Member

    By them cutting it out and combining your stuff with other routes? Do you go back to cover driving until you win another bid?
  2. Turdferguson

    Turdferguson Guest

    Are you talking about your route being completely eliminated? If so you should be allowed a bump onto and take over the route of a less senior driver. Here that bump can extend to three drivers with the fourth person being S.O.L and going back to utility driver, or cover driver
  3. superballs63

    superballs63 Well-Known Troll Troll

    Never had one to lose.

    However, in my center they would only eliminate routes on a new bid. They might have 52a,b,c and d. Well, when the bid goes up there might only be 52a,b and c. They've never eliminated a route during the year here.
  4. Future

    Future Victory Ride

    I get lost on my route everyday........
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  5. Wally

    Wally Hailing from Parts Unknown.

    That's why the center manager tries to post every new route as a "training route".
  6. bleedinbrown58

    bleedinbrown58 ahhh....the mouth breathers

    Was it a bid route? Or just a split that runs when volume is heavy?
  7. Jackburton

    Jackburton Gone Fish'n

    Good thing the Southern Supplement addresses training routes in the new contract. ALL routes shall be bid, the only reason a driver can be displaced is to train probationary drivers, period. As for the OP's problem, demand to work every day, bumping any lower driver and I suspect they'll find another route to "dismantle" as you'll cause them so many problems with the domino effect. Stand up or lay down, your choice.
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  8. brownmonster

    brownmonster Man of Great Wisdom

    This. And the results can sometimes be a better route.
  9. By The Book

    By The Book Well-Known Member

    If its your bid route, you have the right, in some cases to follow the majority(over 50%) of the work. If its the route they cut because volume is light and divide it between 4 or 5 routes, you won't be able to follow it. Your seniority will get you a route to drive even if they won't train you on it. They can't force you to burn sick days and vacation by doing this. If your scheduled, show up and say what route am I on today if yours isn't running.
  10. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    The OPs situation is well covered in their supplement and that is where he/she should look for the correct answer.
  11. bashmore52

    bashmore52 New Member

    I have now been in both ends of this. Our stewards route got permanently cut and he bumped me off my route. Now I bid another route and it is being cut every Monday to more than two other routes. BA explained the contract to me this way. If my route cut is temporary, I can select, by seniority, any route that is not being covered by the bid driver. So if a vacation coverage driver bids to cover a route I can not pick that one. Any other bid or assigned routes I can choose. As long as they are not being covered by the "bid" driver.

    Is this the same practice going on everywhere? The contract is very gray regarding this.
  12. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    If you can cover "any route that is not being covered by the bid driver" then why can't you pick a route that "a vacation cover driver bids..."??? I'm a little confused. And the fact that everyone seems to do things differently doesn't help any. LOL!
  13. Future

    Future Victory Ride

    IDK...but recently when routes went up for"Bid" ....there was a "star" next to such "bid Route"....They are allowed X amount of "training Routes "...per "CENTER"
  14. Future

    Future Victory Ride

    Allowed 2 "Training Routes" per ......Keeeey word...."Center"
  15. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    Here is the problem....many of the routes that are being bid this time aren't in the lineup but two or three days per week. A couple less than that. So, every week we will end up with a slew of "bid drivers" with cut routes several (or more) days per week. Not to mention the unassigned drivers. Our center has never had a problem with finding people to go home on days we are overstaffed but let's look at the worst case scenario.....what happens if none wants to go home and we end up with a slew of drivers standing in front of the manning board because their routes were cut?

    This topic was brought up yesterday and the OP's BA confirmed (what I was thinking) that being a bid driver doesn't supersede seniority. The Southern says we can bump the junior employee (or bump inside) so it seems like the slew of laid off bid drivers I mentioned would be able to bump less senior bid drivers off their routes on those days and the rest would either have to do something else to get their 8 hours or take the day off.
  16. bashmore52

    bashmore52 New Member

    I completely agree. I think this section is being completely mis interpreted by my BA. that's why I'm here. I'm hoping to find out what is being done in other centers.

    He claims vacation coverage drivers bidding a route to cover a vacation for a week is the same as a bid driver. But whatever.

    I think if my route is cut to more than two drivers I should be able to follow my work, by seniority, to the routes it is being put on.
  17. Whatbrownwontdoforyou

    Whatbrownwontdoforyou Well-Known Member

    I dont know how it is where you guys are but that happened in my center.....ups cut routes and had 6 extras......everyone said they wanted there guaranteed 8 hours....they gave them jobs sweeping, taping boxes and doing assessments
  18. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    When a cover driver bids a routes it's considered his bid route for the week.
  19. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    He's right. A 35 year employee can't bumb a 2 year cover driver off of his bid route for the week.
  20. upssouth

    upssouth Member

    In my center they bust routes all the time. The drivers holding those routes demand to work or already have an 8 hr request scheduled for the day, like Monday when they will probably bust it. It puts the heat on mgmt