Here's one for ya...

[prodriver]

So if you're the union, you're going to say "no, that's okay. We don't want a fair contract because things might get rough for the company in the future? You take what you can get when you can get it. Would you turn down a raise just in case the company runs into problems in the future? Problems that weren't your fault in the first place?


Even with a 40% pay cut, he still made $2 million in salary. But that's ok, the guy working the line making $60 000 was the problem, right? And I think you should check your sources because Ford did accept money from the government.

Ford did not receive bail out money.

 

[dezguy]

Just because they didn't take money from the government at the same time as GM and Chrysler, doesn't mean they didn't take money.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Just because they didn't take money from the government at the same time as GM and Chrysler, doesn't mean they didn't take money.

Ford didn't take any bailout money at any point in time.

 

[Cactus]

The "history lesson" brings perspective to the opinion expressed. What do you bring to the table?

How about the truth and the facts without putting people to sleep and without the whining which you are always so eager to provide.

Go back to driving your desk now.

 

[CJinx]

Wouldn't want truth or facts to get in the way of your endless "poor us" arguments.

 

[59 Dano]

Petty? We can see it's Party before Country and there is no reason to think this doesn't bleed into business. I think it is naive not to. WOW (in caps!).

If you say so.

For those keeping score at home, the people who are intentionally screwing themselves out of money for an indeterminate number of years for the sake of their political party are the same ones accused of being greedy.

 

[59 Dano]

So if you're the union, you're going to say "no, that's okay. We don't want a fair contract because things might get rough for the company in the future? You take what you can get when you can get it. Would you turn down a raise just in case the company runs into problems in the future? Problems that weren't your fault in the first place?

I would never turn down any raise offered to me, but I wouldn't be stupid enough to demand one under the conditions they were facing.

Even with a 40% pay cut, he still made $2 million in salary. But that's ok, the guy working the line making $60 000 was the problem, right? And I think you should check your sources because Ford did accept money from the government.

In one year he engineers a $17 billion turnaround and you're upset because he was paid $2 million to do it. Reasonable people would consider that money very well spent. If the guy on the line could have turned the company around, I'd say he deserves a couple million for it, just like the CEO. Otherwise, enjoy your $60,000 and a full benefits and pension package for tightening lug nuts.

Those hardheads don't see the big picture. There's a balance to be struck between compensation and job security. The guys at VW in TN understand that.

 

[Serf]

If the guy on the line could have turned the company around, I'd say he deserves a couple million for it, just like the CEO. Otherwise, enjoy your $60,000 and a full benefits and pension package for tightening lug nuts.

HAHAH. Amen Sir. Yes you are right. REASONABLE people would consider it money well spent.

 

[Cactus]

Wouldn't want truth or facts to get in the way of your endless "poor us" arguments.

Then don't read 'em. Better yet just leave.


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[dezguy]

In one year he engineers a $17 billion turnaround and you're upset because he was paid $2 million to do it. Reasonable people would consider that money very well spent. If the guy on the line could have turned the company around, I'd say he deserves a couple million for it, just like the CEO. Otherwise, enjoy your $60,000 and a full benefits and pension package for tightening lug nuts.

Those hardheads don't see the big picture. There's a balance to be struck between compensation and job security. The guys at VW in TN understand that.

I think you give a little too much credit to Mulally. Incentives offered by the government allowed those who wouldn't normally look at getting into a new car to do so. Also a push by the government tried to drive people to buy domestic. GM and Chrysler were both bankrupt, leaving people to not want to buy their products and if you wanted to buy domestic, what was your only other option?

Mulally took advantage of the situation more than he engineered any sort of comback.

 

[Serf]

Then don't read 'em. Better yet just leave.


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Translation: Me and my like minded cronies can only tolerate and handle our liberal logic. I didn't come to the forum to debate and learn, I came to whine and complain.

 

[59 Dano]

I think you give a little too much credit to Mulally. Incentives offered by the government allowed those who wouldn't normally look at getting into a new car to do so.

Those incentives were open to all car companies.

Also a push by the government tried to drive people to buy domestic.

8 of the top 10 models sold during that campaign were Asian imports (Toyota, Honda, etc.).

GM and Chrysler were both bankrupt, leaving people to not want to buy their products and if you wanted to buy domestic, what was your only other option?

Top domestic seller during that campaign? General Motors.

Mulally took advantage of the situation more than he engineered any sort of comback.

ROTFLMAO!!! Yeah, anyone could have done what he did.

 

[DontThrowPackages]

Not all of them chief. 47% did vote in favor. The other 53% were misled.

The other 53pct believed the trash coming out of Limbaughs mouth. Business has always hated unions.

 

[dezguy]

In one year he engineers a $17 billion turnaround and you're upset because he was paid $2 million to do it. Reasonable people would consider that money very well spent. If the guy on the line could have turned the company around, I'd say he deserves a couple million for it, just like the CEO. Otherwise, enjoy your $60,000 and a full benefits and pension package for tightening lug nuts.

Those hardheads don't see the big picture. There's a balance to be struck between compensation and job security. The guys at VW in TN understand that.

So you're ok with someone getting a million dollars in bonuses in a year when the company lost money but not ok with the union negotiating a raise the next year when the company made money? Yup, seems legit to me.

 

[NonyaBiznes]

Yes with all the binding contractual obligations Union representation can provide and good things that can come your way. Politicians and CEO's can always muster the power to break the back of unions. And always have. Since 9/11 the economy as it pertains to FedEx has changed drastically. Shrinking the overall size of express has been the goal since then. Cut everyone to the bone, figure out how to still employ people and turn a profit.

Under the capitalist flag which IS America, and unfortunately for the worlds indigenous socialists, the biggest corporations in the world are aligned with and basically own the worlds largest companies. But Migrant Worker!!!! "Without unions all workers would be back in the dark ages. We gave you Monday-Friday work weeks, 40 hours, paid vacation, holiday, maternity leave, etc." But since then: unions reward laziness. Promotions usually don't lead to the most qualified person getting the job, they have to promote the person who has the most seniority. They pocket your money and tell you it's for your own good. If the American way is capitalism, then why would companies align themselves with union organization? Why would companies allow these organizations to fatten there members pockets at the expense of the rest of society? As well as float the overhead costs of union representation, all of the union leadership making ridiculously high salaries. Lastly, If you think I totally off my rocker. Remember when President Obama promised to deliver a Union to Express back in 2008?

How soon you forgot about the ... wait for it ..............................................

(((((((((((((((((((((( THE BIG BROWN BAILOUT )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

That was Obama's fault, right? All the money Fred put into those ads, could have went in our pockets .... but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

 

[TUT]

If you say so.

For those keeping score at home, the people who are intentionally screwing themselves out of money for an indeterminate number of years for the sake of their political party are the same ones accused of being greedy.

Long term plans my friend. And you are making it that they are losing money, public records show big business is making more money than ever and giving less back, stagnate wages, not hiring, working every loophole (PT) (ObamaFear). So there is your money grab. Doing all of that then turning around and blaming the President for high unemployment. So they are making bank, plus blaming liberals. So my possible suggestion, albeit it as I mentioned a theory of sorts but seems fairly clear and am far from alone in thinking... When their boys get in, they will change their habits to make their people look good and say "SEE! We better than you.", because I know for fact several conservative outlets that will immediately do that.

 

[Serf]

How soon you forgot about the ... wait for it ..............................................

(((((((((((((((((((((( THE BIG BROWN BAILOUT )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

That was Obama's fault, right? All the money Fred put into those ads, could have went in our pockets .... but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

I am not totally familiar with this. But I can tell you I like it. No not Obama's fault. Probably Clinton or George W. lol.

 

[TUT]

I guess one of our greats was a conspiracy theorist as well... One of the greatest speeches that isn't all that well known:

This is how they do things, that is why it's called Power. Hiden gong term agendas.

He wasn't a theorist, because he knew and knew of the harm in which these societies bring man.

 

[bbsam]

Ford didn't take any bailout money at any point in time.

but if GM and Chrysler failed, parts companies that supply all three would fail and Ford would fail. Ford may not have taken money but they certainly benefited.

 

[MrFedEx]

I would never turn down any raise offered to me, but I wouldn't be stupid enough to demand one under the conditions they were facing.



In one year he engineers a $17 billion turnaround and you're upset because he was paid $2 million to do it. Reasonable people would consider that money very well spent. If the guy on the line could have turned the company around, I'd say he deserves a couple million for it, just like the CEO. Otherwise, enjoy your $60,000 and a full benefits and pension package for tightening lug nuts.

Those hardheads don't see the big picture. There's a balance to be struck between compensation and job security. The guys at VW in TN understand that.

For a GOP/FedEx lackey like you, $14 per hour is probably a reasonable figure to ensure job security, right? That translates-out to around $30,000 per year, which isn't exactly decent pay, even in the Mid-South. CEO pay is way out of bounds in comparison to hourly pay, and concentration of wealth in this country is criminal. Most people can barely make it from paycheck to paycheck, yet the aristocratic class has never done better...and you are absolutely OK with that, because you are nothing but a tool.