Hiring freeze and Transformation team members added - On Topic

Popeye

Well-Known Member

Please point out what I said that would lead you to believe I'm a racist. Honestly, your reply seems to support my previous statement that your posts make you sound like a black guy with a chip on your shoulder. Please don't confuse my dislike of people being promoted based on race with racism.
 

UPSER1987

Well-Known Member
How the hell are you able to know someone’s race by their post?? You’ve mentioned it twice in two of your posts...and you’re still wrong. You’re posts are so ridiculous I’m not even going to waste my time. You stay blissful in your ignorance.
 

Old Man Jingles

Rat out of a cage
Please point out what I said that would lead you to believe I'm a racist. Honestly, your reply seems to support my previous statement that your posts make you sound like a black guy with a chip on your shoulder. Please don't confuse my dislike of people being promoted based on race with racism.
If you stand up for your rights as a white person ... you are racist!
 

PAUPSGuy

Active Member
I know there are some senior opinions being thrown down in this thread but it's not a secret what's going on. Any management/leadership/logistics consultant can look at what's currently in the mix for UPS. Management prides itself in the secrecy but in today's age, you can't hide anything. The identity politics all these (group)-think tanks are running with will have serious negative effects down the road. Merit always wins - when it's encouraged. We're encouraging the buddy buddy bs, and bad HR/transformational information. We; meaning the youngsters coming up now will have to fix and clean up all these decisions down the road and it's not very far away. Amazon will go on the attack - eventually. There isn't enough blood in the water yet...

You can bet your last dollar these tone-deaf HR departments will look back in 30 years and say "we fk'd up". Just like the idea of shareholder supremacy from the 80's/90's. We watch completely underskilled personnel get extremely fast advantages over the ones bringing the results with them every day. Flat out facts are nobody that's smashing their career will sit around and watch this happen. We will leave. UPS is starting to eat itself with an HR department that lacks empathy in nearly every way. We push emotional intelligence all the time but I'm sorry but I don't see it at all.

If HR needs to balance their 'formula' they need to do their due diligence and wait until the right candidate is in front of them. Promoting anyone to balance a mathematical formula is done with such prejudice that it's only, and can only be perceived as ignorance. The legitimate UPS'ers aren't walking around with clown shoes on honking horns. The cracks are starting to show, and these old school guys rising up and semi-lashing out is a symptom of something more. It's a shame in 2019 we're relegated to an old forum to discuss this :censored2:. The fact that UPS has to bring in a pile of consultants and specialist to fix their company is very telling. It solidifies all the negative posts inside this thread.

Before you think I'm out of line please understand I do care about these 460,000 people. It's just very hard to play dead when you can see the train wreck on the horizon. Maybe UPS has been on top too long and it's time for a little friction...
 

Coldworld

60 months and counting
Fine with me ... Kamala Harris?
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Perhaps...
 

bugsbunny

Member
I know there are some senior opinions being thrown down in this thread but it's not a secret what's going on. Any management/leadership/logistics consultant can look at what's currently in the mix for UPS. Management prides itself in the secrecy but in today's age, you can't hide anything. The identity politics all these (group)-think tanks are running with will have serious negative effects down the road. Merit always wins - when it's encouraged. We're encouraging the buddy buddy bs, and bad HR/transformational information. We; meaning the youngsters coming up now will have to fix and clean up all these decisions down the road and it's not very far away. Amazon will go on the attack - eventually. There isn't enough blood in the water yet...

You can bet your last dollar these tone-deaf HR departments will look back in 30 years and say "we fk'd up". Just like the idea of shareholder supremacy from the 80's/90's. We watch completely underskilled personnel get extremely fast advantages over the ones bringing the results with them every day. Flat out facts are nobody that's smashing their career will sit around and watch this happen. We will leave. UPS is starting to eat itself with an HR department that lacks empathy in nearly every way. We push emotional intelligence all the time but I'm sorry but I don't see it at all.

If HR needs to balance their 'formula' they need to do their due diligence and wait until the right candidate is in front of them. Promoting anyone to balance a mathematical formula is done with such prejudice that it's only, and can only be perceived as ignorance. The legitimate UPS'ers aren't walking around with clown shoes on honking horns. The cracks are starting to show, and these old school guys rising up and semi-lashing out is a symptom of something more. It's a shame in 2019 we're relegated to an old forum to discuss this :censored2:. The fact that UPS has to bring in a pile of consultants and specialist to fix their company is very telling. It solidifies all the negative posts inside this thread.

Before you think I'm out of line please understand I do care about these 460,000 people. It's just very hard to play dead when you can see the train wreck on the horizon. Maybe UPS has been on top too long and it's time for a little friction...


Thank you
 

PAUPSGuy

Active Member
Thank you

You're welcome. I didn't even get into the complete neglect of our senior leaders/UPSers. These non-upser individuals that stepped up to the task here at UPS didn't consider the partnership like they should have. They are outsiders, and this company deserves better. How can we not clean up our own back yard with 460, 000 minds? We've been critical of one another for decades. I'm speaking through others experience here. I was busy fighting a war and finding my way through college. I've made it my life goal to attack this sort of mess head-on. Spearheading change that matters at its source. They wash out the old timers like this is a sewage system without any consideration to use their commitment to better themselves. For Christ's sake use Millenials/Xennials as proxies to bridge the gaps between old school management and the new generation. It only makes us better and the graveyard will forever be our greatest source of information and emotional quotient.
 

DELACROIX

In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
Isn't it against the law to discriminate against older workers, they are walking a fine line with this downside. Back in 2010 they had a similar realignment, eliminating middle management and redundant positions, it failed miserably, it did not hit their target positions/people. They just targeted the easy ones, mostly non-union office workers and a few early outs by lower level management who saw the light at the end of the tunnel.

This will happen again, what happens when they really start pressuring high level managers to downgrade or retire. They have the ways and means to go outside and hire the best corporate lawyer that money can buy, also they know a lot of what we called the "business of doing business". Right now everybody is documenting everything and everyone to protect themselves, absolutely go trust.
 

What'dyabringmetoday???

Well-Known Member
You're welcome. I didn't even get into the complete neglect of our senior leaders/UPSers. These non-upser individuals that stepped up to the task here at UPS didn't consider the partnership like they should have. They are outsiders, and this company deserves better. How can we not clean up our own back yard with 460, 000 minds? We've been critical of one another for decades. I'm speaking through others experience here. I was busy fighting a war and finding my way through college. I've made it my life goal to attack this sort of mess head-on. Spearheading change that matters at its source. They wash out the old timers like this is a sewage system without any consideration to use their commitment to better themselves. For Christ's sake use Millenials/Xennials as proxies to bridge the gaps between old school management and the new generation. It only makes us better and the graveyard will forever be our greatest source of information and emotional quotient.
It's just a bunch of cardboard. No need to complicate it. Lol.
 

Coldworld

60 months and counting
If you stand up for your rights as a white person ... you are racist!
Gotta throw in that you are 1/2 German, 1/2 Norwegian, 1/2 Italian or maybe 1/2 Irish and you have national pride being connected to one of those nationalities then you get a free pass from the racist badge... you have to know how to play the game!!!
 

Old Man Jingles

Rat out of a cage
Gotta throw in that you are 1/2 German, 1/2 Norwegian, 1/2 Italian or maybe 1/2 Irish and you have national pride being connected to one of those nationalities then you get a free pass from the racist badge... you have to know how to play the game!!!
How about 34% Irish?
My ancestors screwed their way all around Western Europe.

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