How far out is too far?

[Jones]

Work safe, follow the methods, and you'll be fine. No one ever got fired for doing their job.

 

[Coldworld]

Complaining about a time allowance is like complaining about the odds at a casino.

The house makes the rules, and the house always wins. Gambling odds and time allowances are similar in that they were never intended to be fair or realistic in the first place. In a casino, they are mathematically and scientifically designed to extract revenue from the player and transfer it to the house; in UPS's case, they are mathematically and scientifically designed to create a "standard" that can only be met by working off of the clock. Either way, the house wins and you lose.

There is no way to win. You can only keep yourself from losing by refusing to play.

can you give some pointers, sober???

 

[soberups]

can you give some pointers, sober???

Do not look at the WOR. Do not participate in a discussion with your supervisor about the WOR. Do not validate the WOR by judging your own performance by it. And above all else, do NOT develop a sense of entitlement towards any bonus you might be making.

Once you start buying into the whole bonus system, you become vulnerable to any manipulation that the company may choose to do to your allowance. Never forget that all you are entitled to is 8 hrs per day at the contractually agreed upon wage; bonus can be given or taken away at the whim of the company with no recourse on your part.

If you can look in the mirror at the end of the day and know that you gave the company a fair days work for a fair days pay...it just doesnt matter what the WOR says.

 

[tworavens]

Do not look at the WOR. Do not participate in a discussion with your supervisor about the WOR. Do not validate the WOR by judging your own performance by it. And above all else, do NOT develop a sense of entitlement towards any bonus you might be making.

Once you start buying into the whole bonus system, you become vulnerable to any manipulation that the company may choose to do to your allowance. Never forget that all you are entitled to is 8 hrs per day at the contractually agreed upon wage; bonus can be given or taken away at the whim of the company with no recourse on your part.

If you can look in the mirror at the end of the day and know that you gave the company a fair days work for a fair days pay...it just doesnt matter what the WOR says.

x2!

Still, I do look at the OR every day. I check to make sure that if I worked 10.37 hours the day before, the OR says I worked 10.37 hours. Also, it's amusing to see that I was nearly 2 hours over and never once have management say anything to me about it...

 

[dilligaf]

Do not look at the WOR. Do not participate in a discussion with your supervisor about the WOR. Do not validate the WOR by judging your own performance by it. And above all else, do NOT develop a sense of entitlement towards any bonus you might be making.

Once you start buying into the whole bonus system, you become vulnerable to any manipulation that the company may choose to do to your allowance. Never forget that all you are entitled to is 8 hrs per day at the contractually agreed upon wage; bonus can be given or taken away at the whim of the company with no recourse on your part.

If you can look in the mirror at the end of the day and know that you gave the company a fair days work for a fair days pay...it just doesnt matter what the WOR says.

About the only time I look at the WOR is in regards to filing a greivance. Otherwise, I don't care. I do my job the best I can.

 

[ups1990]

Our building manager, recently told us that some routes, to be one hour in the hole is acceptable! Some routes he said, are not given the proper allowance. Wow! what a great revelation. Please, they know exactly what's going on with these inflated numbers. How can they say, on the one hand this route is not properly time studies, yet hammer a different driver, who also works just as hard for him being OA.

 

[Pump Up The Volume]

In our building we have drivers getting terminated for production. Management's latest big kick is SPOHR. Everybody is getting OJS'd. Management is crossing their t's and dotting their i's on these ojs rides. They record drivers on camera and compare the numbers with other drivers. We had one guy OJS'd 9 times. Their even going after the heroes.
Anyway those who cannot live up to their production numbers have been handed their walking papers!

 

[Catatonic]

Anyway those who cannot live up to their production numbers have been handed their walking papers!

Where is this at?
Not sure I buy this. Would be a first.

 

[Pump Up The Volume]

At UPS. This past week. and no it's not

 

[Captain America]

In our building we have drivers getting terminated for production. Management's latest big kick is SPOHR. Everybody is getting OJS'd. Management is crossing their t's and dotting their i's on these ojs rides. They record drivers on camera and compare the numbers with other drivers. We had one guy OJS'd 9 times. Their even going after the heroes.
Anyway those who cannot live up to their production numbers have been handed their walking papers!

I call shenanigans!

 

[grgrcr88]

The Union does not recognize the companies time studies, you are paid by the hour. You cannot be succesfully disciplined for being over allowed unless you are in violation of one of the methods.

As long as you follow the methods and do not have large time gaps that cannot be accounted for you will be fine.

If you are ever given any actual warning letters, suspensions or any further discipline that will be an easy win if no method violations!!

 

[Work right slow and safe]

one day i was called about 8:30a to see if i can work. I said yes i will be there in about 30 min. got there at nine they said see that truck load it up. my chin dropped to the floor. so i started to load it and found out that it had 5 different splits plus one that was loaded up already. after 1.5 hr of loading up the truck getting the maps getting gas and getting out with 150 stop and only 30 stops in edd. I put over 65 miles this day and worked 10 hr. the next day my center manager came up to me and was pissed off i was over 4 hr and he stated dont let this happen any more. I then checked with him and told him when is there ever been a time studdy on 6 splits and over 1.5 hr of me loading my own truck and no edd for 120 stops and of corse i got crap off 5 different drivers all apartments. all he said is dont do it any more and guess what they have whent out of there way not to call me any more to drive. they will wait till the last min and jget a driver from a different center and say they had no choice he was there and ready to go real nice thanks ups and this was all by the beach no parking to be found

 

[Pump Up The Volume]

The Union does not recognize the companies time studies, you are paid by the hour. You cannot be succesfully disciplined for being over allowed unless you are in violation of one of the methods.

As long as you follow the methods and do not have large time gaps that cannot be accounted for you will be fine.

If you are ever given any actual warning letters, suspensions or any further discipline that will be an easy win if no method violations!!

2 different locals and 2 terminations for not maintaining demonstrated levels of performance with particular attention being paid to SPOHR we have no such thing as overallowed anymore, espcially after 6 months of demonstrated performance levels.

 

[Pump Up The Volume]

I call shenanigans!

Tell that to the guys out of a job

 

[MC4YOU2]

2 different locals and 2 terminations for not maintaining demonstrated levels of performance with particular attention being paid to SPOHR we have no such thing as overallowed anymore, espcially after 6 months of demonstrated performance levels.

Pump,
Can you tell us what consideration was given to geographical changes that likely happen on these routes daily, in determining there was a failure to maintain DLP?

And also how much were their sporh's off by, and for how long?

Would be helpful to know this for most of us. Thanks!

 

[Pump Up The Volume]

Pump,
Can you tell us what consideration was given to geographical changes that likely happen on these routes daily, in determining there was a failure to maintain DLP?

And also how much were their sporh's off by, and for how long?

Would be helpful to know this for most of us. Thanks!

I don't have a copy of either termination letter in front of me currently. I can tell you the NY decision has both locals afraid to pursue this matter with an arbitraitor and that ups is foaming at the mouth.

 

[Captain America]

If you give an fair days work and keep track of anything unusual I don't see how they can get you. I keep track of everything in a journal I write in on my own time.