France has been rioting over increased taxes for several weeks. Worst riots in 50 years.yea india is higher than america but france is lower than america.
good?
I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism
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riots are a sign of hope. was the american revolution a riot?
also if youve noticed some of the pop songs on the radio sing about being poor. i think theres at least 2 ive heard recently.
Existential Comics @existentialcoms 5h5 hours ago
I love the "communism won't work because people are naturally greedy" line, because if people were really so greedy we would have guillotined the rich and taken their hoarded wealth long ago.
I love the "communism won't work because people are naturally greedy" line, because if people were really so greedy we would have guillotined the rich and taken their hoarded wealth long ago.
i always remembered chomsky saying the republican party supported ending workers renting themselves as employees, but i dont remember hearing all of this:
"wage labour was an intolerable infringement on human rights. it wasnt a radical position, it was the slogan of the republican party, you could read it in the NY times editorials in 1870s, it was the slogan in which many northern workers fought the civil war, it was abraham lincoln's position, it was a major theme of the lively working class press" he said worker ownership and control of jobs remained a mainstream theme in america up until the corporatization of america 120 years ago. back then conservatives attacked the new corporatization of america because they rightly believed corporations infringed on markets and natural rights of humans.
"wage labour was an intolerable infringement on human rights. it wasnt a radical position, it was the slogan of the republican party, you could read it in the NY times editorials in 1870s, it was the slogan in which many northern workers fought the civil war, it was abraham lincoln's position, it was a major theme of the lively working class press" he said worker ownership and control of jobs remained a mainstream theme in america up until the corporatization of america 120 years ago. back then conservatives attacked the new corporatization of america because they rightly believed corporations infringed on markets and natural rights of humans.
So how would people get paid for their work?
they all decide how much to pay themselves instead of a capitalist deciding for all of them. this system already exists.
ralph nader also saying 50% of america now poor in this new guilded age:
meanwhile in canada:
Steve Saretsky @SteveSaretsky
It's starting: The Bank of Canada purchased Canada Housing Trust bonds for the first time today, scooping up C$250 million. #QEforThePeople
Steve Saretsky @SteveSaretsky 1h1 hour ago
Nothing at the moment suggests banks might be having funding/ liquidity troubles.. Remember if housing goes belly up the Bank of Canada will be buying a lot of mortgage debt to try and keep things stable. The same happened in the US
Steve Saretsky @SteveSaretsky
It's starting: The Bank of Canada purchased Canada Housing Trust bonds for the first time today, scooping up C$250 million. #QEforThePeople
Steve Saretsky @SteveSaretsky 1h1 hour ago
Nothing at the moment suggests banks might be having funding/ liquidity troubles.. Remember if housing goes belly up the Bank of Canada will be buying a lot of mortgage debt to try and keep things stable. The same happened in the US
financial terrorists:
Warren Gunnels @GunnelsWarren 20h20 hours ago
Warren Gunnels Retweeted Bernie Sanders
During the Wall Street crash:
- 15 million lost homes
- Families lost $13 trillion in savings
- 27 million were un/under-employed
Jamie Dimon:
- Made over $248 million
- Is now a billionaire
- Bought a $17 million mansion
- His bank got a $400b+ bailout & paid billions in fines.
Warren Gunnels added,
3:15
Bernie SandersVerified account @SenSanders
"I don't look at a recession as a bad thing." - Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JP Morgan Chase (one of the big banks that crashed the economy 10 years ago).
48 replies 979 retweets 1,546 likes
Warren Gunnels @GunnelsWarren 20h20 hours ago
Warren Gunnels Retweeted Bernie Sanders
During the Wall Street crash:
- 15 million lost homes
- Families lost $13 trillion in savings
- 27 million were un/under-employed
Jamie Dimon:
- Made over $248 million
- Is now a billionaire
- Bought a $17 million mansion
- His bank got a $400b+ bailout & paid billions in fines.
Warren Gunnels added,
3:15
Bernie SandersVerified account @SenSanders
"I don't look at a recession as a bad thing." - Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JP Morgan Chase (one of the big banks that crashed the economy 10 years ago).
48 replies 979 retweets 1,546 likes
after the revolution where we get rid of capitalism and have workers owning their own labour, it will rain money all the time:
Fine. I want $150k a week and I don't do windows.
not knowing how much the capitalists are profiting off our labour, and taking orders from the capitalists all day are some of the worst ideas in the history of ideas.
im with the americans who used to think workers should own and control the jobs they work in.
Everyone is free in this country to do just that. Get training in a field where you can be your own boss. Not hard to do if you're determined. No one has a gun to their head to take any job.
yesss but it was a common view for americans 100 years ago to be anti capitalist anti corporations altogether which is not what your saying.
They weren't anti capitalist as much as they were pro union. But, and thanks to unions, employers now provide many of the perks that diminish the need for unions. In bigger corporations at least.
americans need unions very bad.
and i dont know about the union vs anticapitalism theory
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financial terrorists:
Warren Gunnels @GunnelsWarren 20h20 hours ago
Warren Gunnels Retweeted Bernie Sanders
During the Wall Street crash:
- 15 million lost homes
- Families lost $13 trillion in savings
- 27 million were un/under-employed
Jamie Dimon:
- Made over $248 million
- Is now a billionaire
- Bought a $17 million mansion
- His bank got a $400b+ bailout & paid billions in fines.
Warren Gunnels added,
3:15
Bernie SandersVerified account @SenSanders
"I don't look at a recession as a bad thing." - Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JP Morgan Chase (one of the big banks that crashed the economy 10 years ago).
48 replies 979 retweets 1,546 likes
“I think you were misinformed,”
-Jamie Dimon
Can you be more specific?
1. Bailout money given to JPM
2. Please also include the bailout that JPM gave the govt. (if you include the financial crisis, I count 3)
3. And include the details on the billions in fines. What were they for? Who was the money given to?
Recessions are part of the cycle, why be afraid of them?
I bought a truck to deliver travel trailers. Left FedEx after 11 years to do that because we weren't getting raises. It's the kind of work I enjoy but it doesn't pay. I drove 107,000 miles in 7 months and was barely breaking even but wearing out my truck. So I went back to FedEx. Of course they had a union scare while I was gone and gave some serious raises to topped out employees. Told me I would get back to top out in 7-8 years. Didn't happen and they were telling every new hire that, even 12 years after I returned. Got so bad that most new hires were quitting soon after hired. So they finally came up with a better pay plan that tops people out in 9 years. But it was just as I turned 55. Took an early pension. My knees ached all the time and still do just climbing stairs. I shouldn't have quit but had no hint they were going to give raises way back when. I was domiciled in a remote location in Colorado at the time. Was given a 39 cent raise 2 months before I quit. Went from $13.11 to $13.50 in an expensive area and mgr told me I'd better enjoy it, last one I'm going to see for a long time. And that was first I had in over 4 years. Got angry and quit. I have seriously paid for that. If I hadn't quit I would have been at $16.11 a little over a year later. With some more adjustments to follow. Would have been making over $26hr when I retired and would have a better pension. Hindsight is 20/20. I got rehired for the pension and as I sit here at nearly 10 a.m. I'm glad I did because a lot of jobs didn't offer a traditional pension then, most don't now. If one wants to go to work until their late 60's to pay for things they want more power to them. I want to see the world and having an independent income allows that. Would prefer an even bigger income and a couple hundred thousand in the bank, who wouldn't? But I'll take the freedom over the alternative.
DriveInDriveOut
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