If you are thinking about voting NO…

fattybrown

Active Member
This will be long. I’m sorry.

I’ll start out telling everyone, I have worked at brown since the early 2000’s. I’m a FT driver for about 10 years and I was PT before that.

I am like most of you, disappointed in the fact, the company did not do anything special for us after the past couple of years. I’m not surprised, since I’ve been around long enough for the turkeys. We were heroes to them, the shareholders, and our communities. Having that being stated, we could have been at home drawing unemployment, like many workers across America at the time. Digging themselves into financial hardships. So, in some ways we should be grateful that wasn’t us.

On to this contract, regardless to the way some perceive it. I think it is a fair contract. Could it be better? Yes, we all know the company is rolling in money. They can afford to pay us all the $7.50 extra from day one of ratification. The a/c, heat shields, fans those are all write offs. I’m afraid some of my hello fresh customers may one day be disappointed that their meals will no longer arrive precooked for them.

For part timers, from comments I’ve read on here and comments on YouTube videos like RoswellHub, you all seem to be upset the most about the contract. Mainly due to the fact new hires earning almost the same as you from ratification. I get that. But what I think what a lot have failed to see is that over the life of this pending contract, that new hire hired in starts at $21 will only receive a $.50 raise each year up to $23 by the end of the contract. That is $2 over that 5 years. Where you will be given $4.75 over the rest of the contract after you get the initial $2.75 or more to reach $21, plus the up to $1.50 longevity raise if you qualify. As you can see, over the course you will earn more than them over the contract. Maybe they should have front loaded the raises, but this way it rewards the ones that are here longer. Remember if you need more hours now you will get dibs on pvd work for the holidays for some extra cash. How many of you plan on making a career out of this? How many are here for spending money to get thru college, or are utilizing tuition reimbursements? The majority of career part timers are here for the benefits. If you aren’t planning on being here thru the life of the contract, does your opinion really matter? I think that is a fair question.

For the converting 22.4’s, it will get better for you. Does a 4 year progression suck? Yes, it does. Ask around your building to all of your drivers. The majority of them went through 4, you might find a few along the way, that only did 2 years. Keep in mind you are starting out close to, if not more, than what they topped out back then. I know, I know, things are expensive. My money doesn’t go as far as it used to. Even with the $7.50 over the contract, $49 won’t have the same spending power as the $37-38 I made a few years back. That is the way it has been and will continue to be until something changes with fiat currency. My advice don’t live beyond your means. It is not always about how much money you make, it is what you do with it. Ours jobs provide us with a livable wage, even through progression in most parts of the country.
On a side note, I voted NO on the last contract because I knew the company would abuse your classification. I have also stated and still believe the UPS should pay extra for anyone working on Saturdays, and if they start Sunday operations, I will say the same thing.

If this contract gets voted down, I feel as if the public will see us as the babies some of us are. Myself included. In some ways, I was hoping we would strike for more multiple reasons like helping brick and mortar businesses. That and I could have stayed cooler on a strike line, than in that rolling sauna we call package cars.

Like I said before I think it is a fair deal. I encourage everyone to look over it multiple times and make the decision for themselves and their families.
 

PoirotAtUPS

Well-Known Member
A fair assessment - this contract will make workers wait for some of the benefits but UPS will take an appropriatly $2B hit in the fist 1st year.

Call it win-win or lose-lose but it seems fair to workers. And in this day and age not much is happening that’s fair to workers.
 

DELACROIX

In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
This will be long. I’m sorry.

I’ll start out telling everyone, I have worked at brown since the early 2000’s. I’m a FT driver for about 10 years and I was PT before that.

I am like most of you, disappointed in the fact, the company did not do anything special for us after the past couple of years. I’m not surprised, since I’ve been around long enough for the turkeys. We were heroes to them, the shareholders, and our communities. Having that being stated, we could have been at home drawing unemployment, like many workers across America at the time. Digging themselves into financial hardships. So, in some ways we should be grateful that wasn’t us.

On to this contract, regardless to the way some perceive it. I think it is a fair contract. Could it be better? Yes, we all know the company is rolling in money. They can afford to pay us all the $7.50 extra from day one of ratification. The a/c, heat shields, fans those are all write offs. I’m afraid some of my hello fresh customers may one day be disappointed that their meals will no longer arrive precooked for them.

For part timers, from comments I’ve read on here and comments on YouTube videos like RoswellHub, you all seem to be upset the most about the contract. Mainly due to the fact new hires earning almost the same as you from ratification. I get that. But what I think what a lot have failed to see is that over the life of this pending contract, that new hire hired in starts at $21 will only receive a $.50 raise each year up to $23 by the end of the contract. That is $2 over that 5 years. Where you will be given $4.75 over the rest of the contract after you get the initial $2.75 or more to reach $21, plus the up to $1.50 longevity raise if you qualify. As you can see, over the course you will earn more than them over the contract. Maybe they should have front loaded the raises, but this way it rewards the ones that are here longer. Remember if you need more hours now you will get dibs on pvd work for the holidays for some extra cash. How many of you plan on making a career out of this? How many are here for spending money to get thru college, or are utilizing tuition reimbursements? The majority of career part timers are here for the benefits. If you aren’t planning on being here thru the life of the contract, does your opinion really matter? I think that is a fair question.

For the converting 22.4’s, it will get better for you. Does a 4 year progression suck? Yes, it does. Ask around your building to all of your drivers. The majority of them went through 4, you might find a few along the way, that only did 2 years. Keep in mind you are starting out close to, if not more, than what they topped out back then. I know, I know, things are expensive. My money doesn’t go as far as it used to. Even with the $7.50 over the contract, $49 won’t have the same spending power as the $37-38 I made a few years back. That is the way it has been and will continue to be until something changes with fiat currency. My advice don’t live beyond your means. It is not always about how much money you make, it is what you do with it. Ours jobs provide us with a livable wage, even through progression in most parts of the country.
On a side note, I voted NO on the last contract because I knew the company would abuse your classification. I have also stated and still believe the UPS should pay extra for anyone working on Saturdays, and if they start Sunday operations, I will say the same thing.

If this contract gets voted down, I feel as if the public will see us as the babies some of us are. Myself included. In some ways, I was hoping we would strike for more multiple reasons like helping brick and mortar businesses. That and I could have stayed cooler on a strike line, than in that rolling sauna we call package cars.

Like I said before I think it is a fair deal. I encourage everyone to look over it multiple times and make the decision for themselves and their families.

“Beauty is in the eye of the beholder”

All all depends where you are, so many disparities in our pay scales, pensions and Health and Welfare plans. One region gets this amount and another gets less, not so much with the GWI’s and contributions going into our Healthcare, but pensions that is another story.

Are your part time years under the Central ?
 

Coldworld

Marty Peters kid
This will be long. I’m sorry.

I’ll start out telling everyone, I have worked at brown since the early 2000’s. I’m a FT driver for about 10 years and I was PT before that.

I am like most of you, disappointed in the fact, the company did not do anything special for us after the past couple of years. I’m not surprised, since I’ve been around long enough for the turkeys. We were heroes to them, the shareholders, and our communities. Having that being stated, we could have been at home drawing unemployment, like many workers across America at the time. Digging themselves into financial hardships. So, in some ways we should be grateful that wasn’t us.

On to this contract, regardless to the way some perceive it. I think it is a fair contract. Could it be better? Yes, we all know the company is rolling in money. They can afford to pay us all the $7.50 extra from day one of ratification. The a/c, heat shields, fans those are all write offs. I’m afraid some of my hello fresh customers may one day be disappointed that their meals will no longer arrive precooked for them.

For part timers, from comments I’ve read on here and comments on YouTube videos like RoswellHub, you all seem to be upset the most about the contract. Mainly due to the fact new hires earning almost the same as you from ratification. I get that. But what I think what a lot have failed to see is that over the life of this pending contract, that new hire hired in starts at $21 will only receive a $.50 raise each year up to $23 by the end of the contract. That is $2 over that 5 years. Where you will be given $4.75 over the rest of the contract after you get the initial $2.75 or more to reach $21, plus the up to $1.50 longevity raise if you qualify. As you can see, over the course you will earn more than them over the contract. Maybe they should have front loaded the raises, but this way it rewards the ones that are here longer. Remember if you need more hours now you will get dibs on pvd work for the holidays for some extra cash. How many of you plan on making a career out of this? How many are here for spending money to get thru college, or are utilizing tuition reimbursements? The majority of career part timers are here for the benefits. If you aren’t planning on being here thru the life of the contract, does your opinion really matter? I think that is a fair question.

For the converting 22.4’s, it will get better for you. Does a 4 year progression suck? Yes, it does. Ask around your building to all of your drivers. The majority of them went through 4, you might find a few along the way, that only did 2 years. Keep in mind you are starting out close to, if not more, than what they topped out back then. I know, I know, things are expensive. My money doesn’t go as far as it used to. Even with the $7.50 over the contract, $49 won’t have the same spending power as the $37-38 I made a few years back. That is the way it has been and will continue to be until something changes with fiat currency. My advice don’t live beyond your means. It is not always about how much money you make, it is what you do with it. Ours jobs provide us with a livable wage, even through progression in most parts of the country.
On a side note, I voted NO on the last contract because I knew the company would abuse your classification. I have also stated and still believe the UPS should pay extra for anyone working on Saturdays, and if they start Sunday operations, I will say the same thing.

If this contract gets voted down, I feel as if the public will see us as the babies some of us are. Myself included. In some ways, I was hoping we would strike for more multiple reasons like helping brick and mortar businesses. That and I could have stayed cooler on a strike line, than in that rolling sauna we call package cars.

Like I said before I think it is a fair deal. I encourage everyone to look over it multiple times and make the decision for themselves and their families.
We have NEVER been hero’s to this company. Not before 1999, and not now, especially during the pandemic. They played it up to sucker everyone in… played it up to the media and the general public.
 

fattybrown

Active Member
Yes in the central. I knew not everyone would agree me and that’s okay. Sometimes people need other perspectives.

I actually had people on my route tell me that they appreciated me during those times. At least the ones, that weren’t so scared out of their minds. I literally had people run away from me because they were so scared. Thanks to the news.

As far as, Carol’s cronie, far from it. I would have loved harassing the sups on route about trace, methods, and so forth. Who knows I may still get the chance.
 

Pullman Brown

Well-Known Member
It wasn’t a bonus, hero pay, etc but it was something. 10 days of covid pay if you got it. I am all for those who didn’t receive it to get the eighty hours for full-timers and whatever the part time hours were of pay at what your pay rate was during the national emergency timeline, but it’s misleading and no different then the company putting out inaccurate information about the majority of part-timers pay rate, or any other misleading information the media put out about pay etc to not acknowledge this fact.
 
“Beauty is in the eye of the beholder”

All all depends where you are, so many disparities in our pay scales, pensions and Health and Welfare plans. One region gets this amount and another gets less, not so much with the GWI’s and contributions going into our Healthcare, but pensions that is another story.

Are your part time years under the Central ?
Home come the Central is getting a big increase @nd other plans are getting nothing.
 

Coldworld

Marty Peters kid
Yes in the central. I knew not everyone would agree me and that’s okay. Sometimes people need other perspectives.

I actually had people on my route tell me that they appreciated me during those times. At least the ones, that weren’t so scared out of their minds. I literally had people run away from me because they were so scared. Thanks to the news.

As far as, Carol’s cronie, far from it. I would have loved harassing the sups on route about trace, methods, and so forth. Who knows I may still get the chance.
It’s just that during contract negotiations everyone comes out of the woodwork. They have nothing to do with the union until a TA comes out then they think they’re Oprah doing a talk show giving the 411 on how good or how bad things are. Not saying that’s you, jmo on seeing multiple contract conversations over the years in here. Only get involved when it’s convenient. Most of the time me-streams.
 

DriverNerd

Well-Known Member
The whole purpose of voting is to allow the majority to choose the outcome. Let everyone base their yes/no vote of what they think of the contract, not what you think.

Right now based on my personal experiences, the general public is definitely on our side. I've seen tons of support from random people on route. I do believe that if the contract is turned down that that could easily flip toward UPS and make us look greedy, but that shouldn't be a reason to vote 'No' if you truly don't believe the contract is for you.
 

anonymous23456

Well-Known Member
It’s just that during contract negotiations everyone comes out of the woodwork. They have nothing to do with the union until a TA comes out then they think they’re Oprah doing a talk show giving the 411 on how good or how bad things are. Not saying that’s you, jmo on seeing multiple contract conversations over the years in here. Only get involved when it’s convenient. Most of the time me-streams.
I'm here to read IGotta to tell people to settle down.
 

cynz

Well-Known Member
Our western pension is way better than any others in UPS. So, I am ok with central and southern getting more money put into their pension. Yes, I wish they put more into mine since I'm going to retire next year, but I agree with most members, we have to spread the money amongst all of us. There is Tons of rumors that our pension is frozen, it's not, we are keeping the same contributions as last contract. Also, our healthcare in the west is again way better and were keeping the same as last contract.
SOB said we didn't concede on anything, they didn't.
I'm voting yes.
 
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