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realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Because the party of Lincoln no longer exists. It is now the party of Trump, Walker, and Paul.
And they all believe that America is the land of opportunity for all citizens.

Still the party of Lincoln, no matter how much you want it not to be.
 

vantexan

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Because the party of Lincoln no longer exists. It is now the party of Trump, Walker, and Paul.
I see Walker greatly improving his state's fiscal soundness and creating jobs. I see Paul standing up to government intrusion into our lives, defending our rights. So I'm glad it's the party of Walker and Paul.
 

vantexan

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I think the largest loophole of all, is the ability of corporate executives to be paid in stock, hold for a year and pay an effective rate of 20% on millions, meanwhile plowing profits otherwise used for capex into share buybacks. Thank Reagan for that one, capital gains should return to being taxed as income, because that's what it's is. It's true that the problem with socialism is you run out of other people's money at some point, and we have, Nearly 19 trillion of it due to corporate socialism. Reducing corporate taxes will only temporarily improve things, as the national debt expands exponentially. Corporations need to pay for the damage they've done, that's just the way I see it...
One big problem with all that is corporations provide jobs. If the choice is support the party that supports corporations(and most businesses are incorporated) and looks to make American business as strong as possible, or support the party that supports taking as much from business as possible to support the non working, not to mention every extreme social issue, then I will always support the Republicans. Show me any city that has been run by Democrats for decades and I'll show you a failing city. And if you truly believe we're in such serious debt due to giveaways to corporations you are deluded.
 

bbsam

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I see Walker greatly improving his state's fiscal soundness and creating jobs. I see Paul standing up to government intrusion into our lives, defending our rights. So I'm glad it's the party of Walker and Paul.
Take a closer look. Walker is Brownback 2.0.
 

DontThrowPackages

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You forget the economy was very strong early on after the tax cuts. It was folks like Frank and Dodd pushing banks to make home loans to the unqualified that built the house of cards.
You should really mean before the wars.

When talking about the war and his goal, "We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah,".....OBL.
The wars, more that any one person or persons buy a home, taking loans on their homes, had a far more impact on this economy. Rush just conveniently forgets to teach that bit of fact.
 
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DontThrowPackages

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In England, conservative has a different meaning.

You liberal Democrats can play MAKE BELIEVE all you want.

But it is the PARTY OF LINCOLN, that freed the slaves, and once freed, gave the former slaves the right to vote.

Why do you have so many issues with reality and history?
We all know back then when the GOP began standing up for human rights, The racist jump that party like rats. You can say my car, I had painted from red to Blue, is red all you like. For the people with vision, they see its now Blue.
 

vantexan

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You should really mean before the wars.

When talking about the war and his goal, "We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah,".....OBL.
The wars, more that any one person or persons buy a home, taking loans on their homes, had a far more impact on this economy. Rush just conveniently forgets to teach that bit of fact.
Dude, the economy was fine during the first half of the 2000's. But millions of bad loans were made, and Wall Street exacerbated the problem with derivative investments made of thousands of loans packaged together and so complicated few could fathom them. The near bank collapse had nothing to do with the wars. Nor did I get this from Rush, or Sean, or Bill. Unlike some BSers around here I followed this stuff closely because my number one concern was having enough to escape this circus. It's lazy to assume that all conservatives hang on every word of our commentators while liberals are all just naturally brilliant. But that's ok, it's obvious when y'all don't know what you're talking about you fall back on the old Faux News line.
 

slowdriver

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Dude, the economy was fine during the first half of the 2000's. But millions of bad loans were made, and Wall Street exacerbated the problem with derivative investments made of thousands of loans packaged together and so complicated few could fathom them. The near bank collapse had nothing to do with the wars. Nor did I get this from Rush, or Sean, or Bill. Unlike some BSers around here I followed this stuff closely because my number one concern was having enough to escape this circus. It's lazy to assume that all conservatives hang on every word of our commentators while liberals are all just naturally brilliant. But that's ok, it's obvious when y'all don't know what you're talking about you fall back on the old Faux News line.
Then you should know alan greenspan apointed by Reagan blew the bubble, combined with clinton dissolving glass-steagall led to the crash, It was no random accident.
 

MrFedEx

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One big problem with all that is corporations provide jobs. If the choice is support the party that supports corporations(and most businesses are incorporated) and looks to make American business as strong as possible, or support the party that supports taking as much from business as possible to support the non working, not to mention every extreme social issue, then I will always support the Republicans. Show me any city that has been run by Democrats for decades and I'll show you a failing city. And if you truly believe we're in such serious debt due to giveaways to corporations you are deluded.

You work for a company that is a huge beneficiary of giveaways, particularly legislative ones. FedEx is also a top offender when it comes to paying taxes.

And, effing please. Won't you GOP idiots quit comparing the Republicans of 1865 with today's batch.

When did you start using meth?
 

vantexan

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You work for a company that is a huge beneficiary of giveaways, particularly legislative ones. FedEx is also a top offender when it comes to paying taxes.

And, effing please. Won't you GOP idiots quit comparing the Republicans of 1865 with today's batch.

When did you start using meth?
The Republicans of 1865 were just as concerned with supporting business growth as they are today. And get off your high horse, the only way FedEx is ever going to give us anything pay wise is by controlling expenditures including taxes. Take it to the bank that they believe Ground is self sustaining enough that they can now address the turnover problem. Doesn't mean it's that great. Most likely those numbers we reach with each step will stay frozen so that by the time one does 10 years the top out pay will be worth 30% less than it's worth now with inflation. But of course they'll keep raising rates. P.S. Obamacare doesn't truly kick in until 2016 so you can blame your major healthcare cost hikes on your fellow Democrats. It's the gift that keeps giving.
 

vantexan

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Then you should know alan greenspan apointed by Reagan blew the bubble, combined with clinton dissolving glass-steagall led to the crash, It was no random accident.
Greenspan left his post in early 2006 and was famous for warning about what was going on with the phrase "irrational exuberance." It was Christopher Dodd and Barney Frank who used their power to pressure banks to make loans to literally millions of unqualified applicants. Plenty of blame to go around, but the Dems had a major role in it.
 

slowdriver

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Greenspan left his post in early 2006 and was famous for warning about what was going on with the phrase "irrational exuberance." It was Christopher Dodd and Barney Frank who used their power to pressure banks to make loans to literally millions of unqualified applicants. Plenty of blame to go around, but the Dems had a major role in it.
Yeah, he fled his post like a rat fleeing a sinking ship, later admitting his claim to fame laissez faire economic ideology was a "flaw in his model". His continuous rate drops create the largest credit bubble in the history of the world, now we are slaves to it. The fed shouldn't exist, as it is the source of our problems. Wilson later regretted signing the fed charter. I won't post the quote but it definitely worth the read. Greenspan, bernanke, yellen, it's not gonna change, growth has been replaced with inflation. We are riding on the knifes edge of either inflation or deflation, that's why the government will continue to spend, and yap about raising rates to cool the market. Think about it, If the fed struggles with raising interest rates only 0.25% because it might risk the "recovery", no way we can cut back government spending even the slightest, as it's the only thing keeping this ship afloat. Again not a dem vs repub thing...
 

DontThrowPackages

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Better yet, fund Planned Parenthood, they stop new life very effectively.
I'm all for letting the birth of an unwanted child happen, so long as the people who want an end to planned parenthood pay for those children's expenses. You want unwanted babies to be born, you pay for them with your tax money.
 
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