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MrFedEx

Engorged Member
Tax cuts under both Reagan and Bush Jr. caused the country to thrive. The big downturns were the dot.com bust and the real estate bubble(by far the biggest). That last one involved both political parties, Wall Street, and millions of people who had no business getting a mortgage. When too many get greedy, we all suffer.

Oh, yeah. That economy really thrived under Dubya, didn't it? LOFL!!!
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
You are in the ballpark.

Entitlement spending is a 100% result in the amount we spend on government.

Big government equals big spending on entitlements.

We need to stop all foreign aid.

Cut 80% of the welfare, food stamp program and housing assistance budget.

Reduce government spending on government by 50%.

And pass legislation that encourages job growth here, in the USA.

And build a massive wall between the USA and Mexico, since they can't seem to stop sending us their poor to take American jobs.

While we're at it, let's eliminate Social Security and Medicare. Your suggestions are all idiotic, but then, you're an idiot, so I guess it's logical that you would make them.

I'm glad my brain is fully functional.
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Is it still 1865?
The ideals of both parties are the same as they were then.

The Republicans believing that ALL men are created equal and deserving of freedom.

The Democrats believing that people of color are inferior and do not have the ability to live free.

Not much has changed in 150 years.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
The ideals of both parties are the same as they were then.

The Republicans believing that ALL men are created equal and deserving of freedom.

The Democrats believing that people of color are inferior and do not have the ability to live free.

Not much has changed in 150 years.

Wow. Are you actually serious? How many times did your parents drop you on your head when you were a child?
 

DontThrowPackages

Well-Known Member
You really need to get your facts straight. Entitlement spending and servicing the debt interest takes up the majority of the budget now. Obama has reduced the size of the military to pre WWII levels.
Entitlements like Social Security and Medicare ? We as Americans are owed those things. We paid into them and by definition we are entitled. Funny how they take and take and now even brain wash some people into believing their money isn't even their own.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Which party freed from slavery those of colored skin?

Which party fought to keep people of colored skin in slavery?

I wonder what your ancestors would say if they knew you were voting for the party of racism.
Wouldn't it make more sense to ask which group, conservatives or liberals did t hi or things?
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Wouldn't it make more sense to ask which group, conservatives or liberals did t hi or things?
Lincoln was a conservative.

But you can keep playing make believe if you wish and keep voting for the liberal Democrats.

Let me know how that works our for you in about 20 years.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Oh, yeah. That economy really thrived under Dubya, didn't it? LOFL!!!
You forget the economy was very strong early on after the tax cuts. It was folks like Frank and Dodd pushing banks to make home loans to the unqualified that built the house of cards.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Lincoln was a conservative.

But you can keep playing make believe if you wish and keep voting for the liberal Democrats.

Let me know how that works our for you in about 20 years.
Yep, some Dem's like to claim Lincoln, but his writings clearly support that his views on governance and fiscal responsibility are very similar to today's Republicans.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
I don't know of this person. But what I do know is whenever the talk of politics start up, I see and hear with my own ears the one party that always seems to have a problem with "them".
You've never heard of the long serving Senator Robert Byrd, one of the most powerful Senators in his time? And what I hear is Democrats constantly saying how racist we are, mainly because they come up short on issues, so they play on people's fears.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Entitlements like Social Security and Medicare ? We as Americans are owed those things. We paid into them and by definition we are entitled. Funny how they take and take and now even brain wash some people into believing their money isn't even their own.
Nope, not entitlements like SS and Medicare. Again, playing on people's fears. Hey, let's throw granny off the cliff!
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Examples, please. Your hero Rick Perry is the prototype for the GOP Right-To-Work (for less) state. Lots of jobs because wages stay low and Texas provides huge incentives for companies to relocate there. It's a GOP/Right Wing paradise, much like South Carolina.
All those companies coming in provide good jobs that Texans appreciate. Ask yourself why Perry served so long? He even had strong support from minorities. While you're at it, ask yourself why many of the Republicans running are governors? Those "idiots" as you call them all have excellent track records running their states. If you don't like the way things are then start a company and run it the way you think things should run. Prove yourself right afterall, and we'll all bow in recognition of your brilliance. Anyone can bloviate, put your money where your mouth is and shut us up.
 

slowdriver

Well-Known Member
I think the largest loophole of all, is the ability of corporate executives to be paid in stock, hold for a year and pay an effective rate of 20% on millions, meanwhile plowing profits otherwise used for capex into share buybacks. Thank Reagan for that one, capital gains should return to being taxed as income, because that's what it's is. It's true that the problem with socialism is you run out of other people's money at some point, and we have, Nearly 19 trillion of it due to corporate socialism. Reducing corporate taxes will only temporarily improve things, as the national debt expands exponentially. Corporations need to pay for the damage they've done, that's just the way I see it...
 

slowdriver

Well-Known Member
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Van, you are arguing the same point I have...
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
In England, conservative has a different meaning.

You liberal Democrats can play MAKE BELIEVE all you want.

But it is the PARTY OF LINCOLN, that freed the slaves, and once freed, gave the former slaves the right to vote.

Why do you have so many issues with reality and history?
Because the party of Lincoln no longer exists. It is now the party of Trump, Walker, and Paul.
 
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