Kim Davis - The Christian Rosa Parks

bbsam

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Only TOS and you. :huh:
There you go again, always confusing me with the far fringes. I never have understood why there is such friction involved with this. I've known some pretty accomplished people in academia who don't see any conflict whatsoever. I agree with them.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
There you go again, always confusing me with the far fringes. I never have understood why there is such friction involved with this. I've known some pretty accomplished people in academia who don't see any conflict whatsoever. I agree with them.
Maybe they have not been exposed to the Atheists on Brown Cafe.
 

Sportello

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Some Atheists on Brown Cafe state their beliefs as being proven by Science but alas those beliefs are not Science.
Many Atheists do this while most atheists do not.

I have a few questions.

1) Who are the BC atheists?
2) Who said atheism is a scientifically proven fact?
3) Is science ever proven?
 

Wayne05

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Jones

fILE A GRIEVE!
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1) I don't even know what a BC atheist is.
2) I've never heard anyone say that atheism is a scientifically proven fact.
3) Science is a methodology, it doesn't get proven or disproven. That would be a hypothesis which is either proven or disproven using the scientific method.
 

BrownArmy

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As long as we're so off-topic:


THEY'RE MADE OUT OF MEAT

Terry Bisson, Omni 1990


"They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"Meat. They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"There's no doubt about it. We picked up several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, and probed them all the way through. They're completely meat."

"That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars?"

"They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don't come from them. The signals come from machines."

"So who made the machines? That's who we want to contact."

"They made the machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the machines."

"That's ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You're asking me to believe in sentient meat."

"I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in that sector and they're made out of meat."

"Maybe they're like the orfolei. You know, a carbon-based intelligence that goes through a meat stage."

"Nope. They're born meat and they die meat. We studied them for several of their life spans, which didn't take long. Do you have any idea what's the life span of meat?"

"Spare me. Okay, maybe they're only part meat. You know, like the weddilei. A meat head with an electron plasma brain inside."

"Nope. We thought of that, since they do have meat heads, like the weddilei. But I told you, we probed them. They're meat all the way through."

"No brain?"

"Oh, there's a brain all right. It's just that the brain is made out of meat! That's what I've been trying to tell you."

"So ... what does the thinking?"

"You're not understanding, are you? You're refusing to deal with what I'm telling you. The brain does the thinking. The meat."

"Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!"

"Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal! Are you beginning to get the picture or do I have to start all over?"

"Omigod. You're serious then. They're made out of meat."

"Thank you. Finally. Yes. They are indeed made out of meat. And they've been trying to get in touch with us for almost a hundred of their years."

"Omigod. So what does this meat have in mind?"

"First it wants to talk to us. Then I imagine it wants to explore the Universe, contact other sentiences, swap ideas and information. The usual."

"We're supposed to talk to meat."

"That's the idea. That's the message they're sending out by radio. 'Hello. Anyone out there. Anybody home.' That sort of thing."

"They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?"

"Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat."

"I thought you just told me they used radio."

"They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat."

"Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?"

"Officially or unofficially?"

"Both."

"Officially, we are required to contact, welcome and log in any and all sentient races or multibeings in this quadrant of the Universe, without prejudice, fear or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing."

"I was hoping you would say that."

"It seems harsh, but there is a limit. Do we really want to make contact with meat?"

"I agree one hundred percent. What's there to say? 'Hello, meat. How's it going?' But will this work? How many planets are we dealing with here?"

"Just one. They can travel to other planets in special meat containers, but they can't live on them. And being meat, they can only travel through C space. Which limits them to the speed of light and makes the possibility of their ever making contact pretty slim. Infinitesimal, in fact."

"So we just pretend there's no one home in the Universe."

"That's it."

"Cruel. But you said it yourself, who wants to meet meat? And the ones who have been aboard our vessels, the ones you probed? You're sure they won't remember?"

"They'll be considered crackpots if they do. We went into their heads and smoothed out their meat so that we're just a dream to them."

"A dream to meat! How strangely appropriate, that we should be meat's dream."

"And we marked the entire sector unoccupied."

"Good. Agreed, officially and unofficially. Case closed. Any others? Anyone interesting on that side of the galaxy?"

"Yes, a rather shy but sweet hydrogen core cluster intelligence in a class nine star in G445 zone. Was in contact two galactic rotations ago, wants to be friendly again."

"They always come around."

"And why not? Imagine how unbearably, how unutterably cold the Universe would be if one were all alone ..."


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Catatonic

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1) I don't even know what a BC atheist is.
2) I've never heard anyone say that atheism is a scientifically proven fact.
3) Science is a methodology, it doesn't get proven or disproven. That would be a hypothesis which is either proven or disproven using the scientific method.
Thank you for #3 - I have posted this multiple times and have been attacked every time by some Atheist or anti-religious nut.
 

Sportello

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Thank you for #3 - I have posted this multiple times and have been attacked every time by some Atheist or anti-religious nut.
@Photog, nice deflection. The only point you addressed was #3.

Your statement is locked and loaded. You never addressed your other statements, but deferred to @Jones, and he pretty much said you are making things up.

Perhaps you are 'just joking around', but it is difficult impossible to have an intelligent conversation if one person is just saying something for effect. That is the very definition of 'trolling', and I would hope for better from a mod. :brokenheart:
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
@Photog, nice deflection. The only point you addressed was #3.

Your statement is locked and loaded. You never addressed your other statements, but deferred to @Jones, and he pretty much said you are making things up.

Perhaps you are 'just joking around', but it is difficult impossible to have an intelligent conversation if one person is just saying something for effect. That is the very definition of 'trolling', and I would hope for better from a mod. :brokenheart:
I knew all along you're one of those HOPE guys! LOL

And besides ... this is Current Events!!!
 
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