Laid off, now what?

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by BrownSyndrome, Jan 20, 2015.

  1. BrownSyndrome

    BrownSyndrome New Member

    I was a seasonal driver off and on for two years but gained seniority in September of 2014 and I successfully completed my 30 days. Therefore I am now a permanently employed driver, however I am at the bottom of the list in seniority in my center. Apparently corporate ordered my center to lay off 3 of our least senior drivers on a week to week basis. I was told I would have the option to work in the hub next week for 2 shifts a day of 3.5 hours each. I know that my being laid off has nothing to do with my merits as a driver since I am, without question, one of the safest and most productive drivers in our center. The lay off is simply a result of being on the bottom of the seniority totem poll.

    Anyways, my questions common is this? And how long might I expect this layoff to last?

    I know that they hire seasonals again in the spring so wouldn't they have to put me back to work by then at the latest before they could hire seasonal help?

    I LOVE my job as a UPS driver and I have been so excited to finally become permanent. So when I learned I was being laid off it was pretty devastating news. I could use some reassurance right now that my career is still safe and that perhaps I'm just over-reacting to a routine and temporary hiccup to my employment status.

    If anyone has any experiences or advice they can share it would be much appreciated.

    Thank you!
  2. bottomups

    bottomups Bad Moon Risen'

    Bump into part time, collect unemployment or look into full time at other centers within your local.
  3. PT Car Washer

    PT Car Washer Well-Known Member

    Being laid off after Peak used to be common for the lower seniority drivers. Just as soon as there are a few injuries or vacations kick in you will be right back at it. No, UPS can't hire seasonal while you are laid off.
  4. Wally

    Wally Hailing from Parts Unknown.

    You get 8 hours, not 7. Also, you should start no later than the first start time on that shift. I would be last to leave too.
  5. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    Not in the Central. You are only guaranteed 3.5 hours for each person you bump. If you elect to only bump 1 and work just to keep your medical, you're guaranteed 3.5 hours. If you bump 2, you're guaranteed 7.


    Section 6

    Laid-off, full-time seniority employees, in the order of their seniority,
    may elect to take the work of one (1) or two (2) part-time
    employees, for the duration of the layoff, provided they have more
    total Company seniority. In such cases, the full-time employees
    shall be guaranteed a minimum of three and one-half (3 1/2) hours
    work at the prevailing rate of pay for the classification of work
    he/she performs, or the rate of pay per Article 41, Section 3, which
    ever rate is higher, in addition to all fringe benefits. Employees who
    have not completed progression shall be paid in accordance with the
    progression scale in Article 41, Section 3 or their prevailing inside
    rate whichever is higher. Article 40 employees will be paid in accordance
    with Article 40, Section 6. If a full-time employee bumps
    two part-time employees, said full-time employee shall receive
    time-and-one-half after eight (8) hours of work. After thirty (30)
    working days in a ninety (90) calendar day period under this provision,
    a full-time employee may elect to bump the least senior fulltime
    employee in his/her building, excluding automotive, maintenance
    mechanics and feeder drivers, and have up to thirty (30) calendar
    days to qualify for said full-time position. If a laid-off, fulltime
    employee elects to take a layoff rather than exercise his/her
    right to displace a part-time employee, he/she shall be considered a
    laid-off employee for lack of work for the purpose of unemployment
  6. PT Car Washer

    PT Car Washer Well-Known Member

    For an off the street new driver, what would their pay rate be?
  7. margaritaville

    margaritaville Active Member

    Long as i have my senority date i dont mind being laid off. Long as its not permanent. Im sure your different and want to work everyday though. Just to reassure you though. Youll be fine long as economy doesnt randomly crash. You have a full-time permanent spot. Eventually youll get people under you. Everyone goes through this the first year. I gonna embrace my free time and relax why i my senority date keeps moving towards max wage without having to work for it ha.
  8. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    Looks like $15/hr. Contract states pay specified in Article 41 Section 3, not the pay he was making. So he will most likely have to take a pay cut, but will make decent money, have medical and pension credit.

    I do not know of many, or any part time job with a wage rate for that classification exceeding $15/hr. Some make more but that is not the base pay. That is base plus all their years seniority.

    If this driver has less than a year in, he is still in progression and can only bump part timers with less seniority, so he will be bumping $9-$10/hr guys so he should get the $15/hr with a 7 hour guarantee.

    This is seniority with less than 12 months. If he has more than 12 months, he should get $16/hr.

    Section 3. Full-time Inside Wages

    The rates in this Section shall not apply to any full-time inside jobs
    guaranteed in Article 22, Section 2 created prior to August 1, 1997.
    Rather, for employees entering those jobs, Article 41, Section 2
    (c) above shall apply.

    Part time employees whose rates are higher than those set forth below
    who bid into a full-time inside job covered by this Section shall be
    paid their current inside wage rate plus the general wage increases.
    Other part time employees who bid into a full-time inside job covered
    by this Section will be red circled at their current wage rate
    until such time as the calculated progression rate set forth below
    exceeds that rate. The transfer date will become his/her full-time
    start date for purposes of applying the progression set forth below.
    A part-time employee shall not lose the red circle protection provided
    by this paragraph as a result of transferring from one full time
    inside job to another full-time inside job.

    Start $15.00
    Seniority plus 12 months $16.00
    Seniority plus 24 months $17.00
    Seniority plus 36 months $20.00
    Seniority plus 48 months Top Rate

    The Top Rate shall be $26.74 plus the general wage
    increases provided in Section 1 above.
  9. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    The only problem is that if you are in Teamcare, you will not have any medical during that lay off if you do not work or burn a vacation day during the week.

    Where I'm at, there are 5-10 drivers laid off and it could be for 2 months. No medical for 2 months becomes very risky.
  10. STFXG

    STFXG Well-Known Member

    While you aren't working you should thank your union brothers for not caring about your work being given to the USPS.
  11. bottomups

    bottomups Bad Moon Risen'

    We thank FedEx. If not for Smartpost there would not be Surepost. At least we are getting some of that volume back to Brown.
  12. box_beeyotch

    box_beeyotch Well-Known Member

    I was told in another forum, you cant collect Unemployment if you are offered the part time work.
  13. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    You need to check your locals lay off procedure. This is one of the areas that locals have local agreements above and beyond the supplement.

    It is possible that you could lose your unemployment if UPS had work for you and you refused to come in.

    The best place to check is your steward or BA for your locals agreements.
  14. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    No he gets paid his inside rate which would be what $9
  15. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    And, at least in the Central, you can take a lay off instead of bumping into part time and this will not affect your unemployment.

    But if UPS needs you to drive 1 or 2 days here and there, you may, and again I say may, loose your unemployment if you refuse.

    Check with your BA.
  16. Inthegame

    Inthegame Well-Known Member

    You forgot to add humility to your resume...
  17. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    I found that a bit of an oxymoron lol.
  18. PT Car Washer

    PT Car Washer Well-Known Member

    Contract states his inside pay rate or Art 41 sec 3 FT inside pay rate whichever is greater.
  19. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    Interesting. They used to just pay us our full time rate. That all changed the last time I got laid off.
  20. PT Car Washer

    PT Car Washer Well-Known Member

    That is why I asked. Don't know if this is something new in the contract or if it has always been there.