Local 243

[browned out]

"Taking out the trash!"
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Boom!
Whatever floats your boat.
Sounds like a great slate name.

That is spot on. They have for all intent and purpose taken themselves out...out of office.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

That is spot on. They have for all intent and purpose taken themselves out...out of office.

Talk is cheap.

Watch out for their dues paid lawyers "acting in your best interest", running the local election.

 

[browned out]

243 has a compelling argument(s) for the NLRB charge. The following is against the law:

Refuse to furnish information the union requests that is relevant to the bargaining process or to the employees' terms or conditions of employment

This is key because we have asked for information regarding whether an RPCD would be guaranteed 40 hours per week and if an RPCD was not offered work on a M or T; could that RPCD bump a 22.4 on Sat or Sun.

243 has told us that UPS "does not know". therefore UPS has refused to furnish info re:employees' term or conditions of employment.

 

[browned out]

NLRB 243/UPS Unfair Labor Practice Case: NLRB | Public Website

Not much here yet.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Our membership would have voted the incumbent company-controlled hacks out years ago. But, the last time the incumbents ran opposed cost UPSers their jobs.

Can you cite, specific instances of this happening ?

The Central Region and State Panel decisions are easily accessible.

Maybe a name.... or, case number ?

Many of the UPS Teamster locals work hand in hand with UPS.

Says.... who ?

I am not afraid of any incumbent retaliation for having the courage to stand up, and actually lead the teamster ups members.

Good for you.

I've seen more than a few over confident all-stars threaten to unseat incumbents and then show their real abilities by not figuring out the simple nomination process.

Exactly.... what is a committee man ?


Maybe @browned out could educate us.



-Bug-

 

[Inthegame]

This is key because we have asked for information regarding whether an RPCD would be guaranteed 40 hours per week...

I must be missing something.
L243 is still in the Central Region therefore covered by the CRT Supplement. CRT Art 12 Sec 1 language re: full time employees guarantee remains unchanged. The only omission in CRT 12 Sec 1 is the 9.5 piece which now (unfortunately) follows the NMA Art 37.

...and if an RPCD was not offered work on a M or T; could that RPCD bump a 22.4 on Sat or Sun.

If the RPCD is not in the top 90% put to work on their first scheduled workday, they have no guarantee of 40 hours. Unless your CRT Local Union rider allows for midweek bumping to a different workweek, I believe the answer is no, which is the same as it ever was.

Now if the lost work is continuous, employees have the seniority rights of CRT Art 3, and UPS should be reminded of their ability to alter FT schedules.

What is confusing with your attack on the administration of L 243 is this issue is exactly what the former (retired) ST of L243 would relish to take on, and in most cases, successfully.

 

[Bubblehead]

Can you cite, specific instances of this happening ?

The Central Region and State Panel decisions are easily accessible.

Maybe a name.... or, case number ?

Where are these decisions "easily accessible"???

Perhaps you could provide a link...

Exactly.... what is a committee man ?


Maybe @browned out could educate us.

Safety Committee....Wellness Committee....Sales Lead Committee???

That is a good question, because all of those committees are nothing but fluff, staffed with clock suckers and butt kissers....except me.

As the only Locally appointed member of the so-called "Safety Committee", I only show up at about 5 meetings a year (they never when), always with a list of concerns, then follow up with grievances and governmental charges if they aren't addressed.

Perhaps @browned out rolls like me???



~Bbbl~™

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Where are these decisions "easily accessible"?

The members Local Union hall.

Perhaps you could provide a link...

That's funny.

People are to lazy to vote.... Or, show up at monthly meeting.... but would

expect to view Union documents online ? Don't we have enough TDU locker

room lawyers already ?

Perhaps @browned out rolls like me ?

Not a chance.

He get's his/her information from FaceBook and the TDU website.

It's almost verbatim....



-Bug-

 

[Bubblehead]

The members Local Union hall.

How late are they open....and will they give me a copy, or will they only let me read it under supervision?

Can I take notes, or will they confiscate my cell phone at the door?

That's funny.

People are to lazy to vote.... Or, show up at monthly meeting.

My Local holds their meetings on the first Thursday of every month, at 7pm.

I typically make about 5 of the 9 meetings (we go "dark" June, July, and August).
I only make those because the Hall is less than 2 miles from my Hub.

The rest of the Local draws from about a 50 mile radius, encompassing 6 UPS facilities, partly explaining why we usually have less than 50 members out of 5,000 in attendance.

In November I got there at 7:15 and the meeting had already adjourned, explaining why nobody cares to attend.

Miss 15 minutes and you miss a month....#nocontentbydesign

....but would you expect to view Union documents online ?

Yes, that's exactly what I expect in 2019 for $90+ a month....

What do you have to hide???

Don't we have enough locker

room lawyers already ?

No, we don't have enough "locker room lawyers".

Another name for them would be "engaged members", which seems like exactly what the IBT doesn't want?

If they existed in bigger numbers, they would ask questions, vote in sufficient numbers, and hold "Big Union Guys" accountable.

Instead, the mantra is "don't ask questions, get back in line, and trust blindly".


No thanks.




~Bbbl~™

 

[Bubblehead]

I must be missing something.
L243 is still in the Central Region therefore covered by the CRT Supplement. CRT Art 12 Sec 1 language re: full time employees guarantee remains unchanged. The only omission in CRT 12 Sec 1 is the 9.5 piece which now (unfortunately) follows the NMA Art 37.

That "ommision" in reality actually happened in 2013-14???
Like the Central Region would ever strike over 9.5 issues...."the Hammer", what a joke.

If the RPCD is not in the top 90% put to work on their first scheduled workday, they have no guarantee of 40 hours.

But these "not in the top 90%" drivers still have the right, per Article 12, to a posted schedule on their last work day of the week prior....right???

....and if they are "scheduled" while not in the "top 90%", it still entitles them to at least 6 hours of pay if they report and are not put to work....right???

The perils of scheduling drivers for a 5 day consecutive workweek, while providing service 6 days a week (M-Sat), has a complex variance of daily routes run that may expose holes in contractual language in the CRT unless strictly enforced....and for sure is completely broken in my Local .

We have many "not in the top 90% drivers" scheduled as "on-call" every day but Saturday, without the ability to bump into the sorts the rest of the week, because of a bogus Company assertion that Article 3, Section 8 of the CRT doesn't apply because of our Local Seniority Application.

So now they get to work only on Saturday these weeks, while not being able to draw unemployment as a result.


BTW, it doesn't say on their "first scheduled workday", it says on "the first (1st) workday"....no chance UPS would challenge that I'm sure???

 

[browned out]

Can you cite, specific instances of this happening ?

The Central Region and State Panel decisions are easily accessible.

Maybe a name.... or, case number ?





Says.... who ?





Good for you.







Exactly.... what is a committee man ?


Maybe @browned out could educate us.



-Bug-

A Committee man is the same as Steward Alternate.

 

[browned out]

Can you cite, specific instances of this happening ?

The Central Region and State Panel decisions are easily accessible.

Maybe a name.... or, case number ?

I am not permitted to discuss the most pertinent example of the UPS/243 collusion. But it somewhat relates to this:

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-mied-4_09-cv-14896/pdf/USCOURTS-mied-4_09-cv-14896-0.pdf

And the case(s) I speak off had a much different outcome than the above. The wheels of justice are still in motion on related cases.

It is abhorrent that some Union Leadership protects it's own interests more than it upholds the sworn duty to the members. The Union and UPS continue this practice to "weed out" the strongest teamster members who are problems both to UPS and to the incumbent leadership.

 

[browned out]

Where are these decisions "easily accessible"???

Perhaps you could provide a link...

Safety Committee....Wellness Committee....Sales Lead Committee???

That is a good question, because all of those committees are nothing but fluff, staffed with clock suckers and butt kissers....except me.

As the only Locally appointed member of the so-called "Safety Committee", I only show up at about 5 meetings a year (they never when), always with a list of concerns, then follow up with grievances and governmental charges if they aren't addressed.

Perhaps @browned out rolls like me???



~Bbbl~™

The link is extremely hard to find for the grievance panel decisions. It is non existent.

I will explain what a committee man is:

We are old school in the Hoffa Sr's backyard.

In 243; we have Stewards who do not pay dues. And then we have a committee men who are elected, but still payed dues. They have all of the same responsibilities as the Stewards. (As the committee man is the steward when the the actual steward is off, be it vacation, disability, etc.) In most locals; they are called alternate stewards. I do not know if alternate stewards in other areas of the country pay dues or not.

I have been a steward and/or alternate steward in the part time and full time ranks. I would think it would be about 15 years combined. I have about 30 years in; so I know I am not a career union rep. 15 years is still a big chunk of time. As BUG stated; it is a very demanding position with a lot of negative outcomes. Losing more than you win is a fact. But, you just keep on representing your brothers and sisters with vim and vigor.

I do not know of any clock-suckers or butt kissers who work for "free" as alternate stewards (committee people) They still pay dues and are willing to represent the members….but(t) thanks for your support?

 

[browned out]

How late are they open....and will they give me a copy, or will they only let me read it under supervision?

Can I take notes, or will they confiscate my cell phone at the door?

My Local holds their meetings on the first Thursday of every month, at 7pm.

I typically make about 5 of the 9 meetings (we go "dark" June, July, and August).
I only make those because the Hall is less than 2 miles from my Hub.

The rest of the Local draws from about a 50 mile radius, encompassing 6 UPS facilities, partly explaining why we usually have less than 50 members out of 5,000 in attendance.

In November I got there at 7:15 and the meeting had already adjourned, explaining why nobody cares to attend.

Miss 15 minutes and you miss a month....#nocontentbydesign

Yes, that's exactly what I expect in 2019 for $90+ a month....

What do you have to hide???

No, we don't have enough "locker room lawyers".

Another name for them would be "engaged members", which seems like exactly what the IBT doesn't want?

If they existed in bigger numbers, they would ask questions, vote in sufficient numbers, and hold "Big Union Guys" accountable.

Instead, the mantra is "don't ask questions, get back in line, and trust blindly".


No thanks.




~Bbbl~™

I mistakenly typed non existent. Documentation on UPS arbitration awards and court decisions have existed for years.

http://teamstersonline.com/ups_panel_agreements/index2010.pdf

Useful information is readily available but it is not accessible to the members or even the stewards. I think BUG has easy access to these records without having to go to the hall to view them.

It would be outstanding if the package car driver steward who is working 55 hours plus could have the convivence of viewing these documents at home.

Keeping us in the dark, get back in line, trust blindly, don't ask questions is exactly the type of non-transparency that is FINALLY getting these jokers voted out of office.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

How late are they open....and will they give me a copy, or will they only let me read it under supervision?

Can I take notes, or will they confiscate my cell phone at the door?

I can't speak for your Local.

If it's me.... call me up, and come on down.


And at the end of the day, who would you vote for ?


What do you think the average member is going to glean from reading decisions

that say "Based on the facts presented, the claim of the Union is denied."


You can get a transcript of the case. But, it costs money.

My Local holds their meetings on the first Thursday of every month, at 7pm.

I typically make about 5 of the 9 meetings (we go "dark" June, July, and August).
I only make those because the Hall is less than 2 miles from my Hub.

The rest of the Local draws from about a 50 mile radius, encompassing 6 UPS facilities, partly explaining why we usually have less than 50 members out of 5,000 in attendance.

In November I got there at 7:15 and the meeting had already adjourned, explaining why nobody cares to attend.

Miss 15 minutes and you miss a month.

I can tell you this;

It doesn't matter what day or time, your Local has their meetings.

People that want to be there.... will be. Everything else is an excuse.

...."the Hammer", what a joke.

The "hammer" reference is what what Hoffa won back in the freight industry.

After our lord and savior (Ron Carey) gave up that right under the NMFA.

But these "not in the top 90%" drivers still have the right, per Article 12, to a posted schedule on their last work day of the week prior....right ?
....and if they are "scheduled" while not in the "top 90%", it still entitles them to at least 6 hours of pay if they report and are not put to work....right?

Absolutely.

We have many "not in the top 90% drivers" scheduled as "on-call" every day but Saturday, without the ability to bump into the sorts the rest of the week, because of a bogus Company assertion that Article 3, Section 8 of the CRT doesn't apply because of our Local Seniority Application.

I don't agree with the company's claim, about your Local * Rider.

What it states.... is if a "permanent job" is eliminated.... the affected employee's

have bumping right's and/or the ability to go "on call".


I would grieve it.



-Bug-

 

[Bubblehead]

I don't agree with the company's claim, about your Local * Rider.

What it states.... is if a "permanent job" is eliminated.... the affected employee's

have bumping right's and/or the ability to go "on call".


I would grieve it.



-Bug-

Who said anything about Local *?

 

[browned out]

The members Local Union hall.




That's funny.

People are to lazy to vote.... Or, show up at monthly meeting.... but would

expect to view Union documents online ? Don't we have enough TDU locker

room lawyers already ?





Not a chance.

He get's his/her information from FaceBook and the TDU website.

It's almost verbatim....



-Bug-

I undoubtedly roll like Bubblehead.

A corrupt union official is a corrupt union official. It doesn't matter if it's TDU, TU, or Hoffa. When someone; anyone is a cancer to the union, they need to be removed from office.

 

[browned out]

BUG,

Is there another site where the members could access the following info http://teamstersonline.com/ups_panel_agreements/index2010.pdf. ?

 

[Superteeth2478]

Where are these decisions "easily accessible"???

Perhaps you could provide a link...

Safety Committee....Wellness Committee....Sales Lead Committee???

That is a good question, because all of those committees are nothing but fluff, staffed with clock suckers and butt kissers....except me.

As the only Locally appointed member of the so-called "Safety Committee", I only show up at about 5 meetings a year (they never when), always with a list of concerns, then follow up with grievances and governmental charges if they aren't addressed.

Perhaps @browned out rolls like me???



~Bbbl~™

Whoa whoa whoa, hold on there, not everyone that is part of the safety committee is a clock sucker and butt kisser. I always bring my own/member concerns to meetings and encourage people to file complaints with OSHA (and do so myself when they don't). Hell, I skip the grievance process as regards safety concerns because it never appears to do anything in the first place. It's no secret that I'm public enemy number one for management at my hub.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

I undoubtedly roll like Bubblehead.

Maybe.

You can certainly learn something from @Bubblehead.

A corrupt union official is a corrupt union official.

Not liking the answer your Local official gives you.... doesn't make them corrupt

or complicit with the company. It's just a "fallback" excuse of the weak.

When someone; anyone is a cancer to the union, they need to be removed from office.

Verifiable proof will make that happen, in any Union election.


But, with undocumented speculation....

Veteran elected Officials can debunk that, rather quick.



-Bug-