Local 25 Teamsters borderline criminal act?

[MisplacedRailWorker]

UPS only learned about seasonal labor FROM the railroad as well as many other things like 3-points of contact, etc…

 

[MisplacedRailWorker]

Ask any locomotive engineer who drives your packages from CACH to Bumble Center how many years of his career he’s been furloughed… if it’s not double digits I’ll buy you a boat

 

[Blacklivesmattertoo]

Hello,

My name is Austin and I just recently started working as a seasonal part-time package handler for a UPS facility in Massachusetts back in late October. When I was hired the company had made it clear to me on my first day that the job was seasonal, however, I would still need to begin paying an initiation fee to the Local 25 Teamsters Union. The initiation fee is $500.

On my first day I was provided with union paperwork which I read thoroughly and signed off on. In the paper work it stated that the initiation fee was $500, however the Teamsters recognized that a part-time employee is financially unable to pay $500 upfront, so the fee was broken down into 15 and a half weeks of 32$ payments.

To mine surprise, when I received my pay check today it stated $0. At first I thought it was a mistake, but then other employees started expressing similar concerns saying either the majority or the entirety of their paycheck had been drained, even their attendance bonuses. In my paystub it clearly stated that the entire amount of my paycheck was deducted for Union dues.

Now this is where it gets interesting. Upon everyone receiving their paychecks, a mob began to form in the middle of the building, all employees upset that their entire pay checks had been drained due two union dues. It also appeared that no one seemed to know why this had happened.

Upon speaking with management, they had assured us that they had no idea that this was going to happen and that for the last 20 years an event like this had never taken place before. They then went on to say that union dues had always been taken out in incremental amounts until completed, never has employees checks been completely drained.

Management then referred employees affected by this issue to their union stewards. Now the mob switched their attention from management to the stewards standing by. The stewards seemed to have no idea that this was going to happen and could offer no explanation. Some of them even tried to shift the blame from the Union to UPS and Human Resources. After the crowd calmed down, we were given the Union Halls number which I immediately picked up my phone and called.

A women picked up and assured me that she had been receiving calls all day regarding the issue and could do nothing for me but take my name and number and refer it to the business rep. She said that the contract states that after 31 days the union has the right to take any remaining dues in full. I then proceeded to tell her that in the paper work I signed states the fee would be broken down into payments. To that, she had no comment. I then asked her who in the Union made this decision and she said that she did not know, but she felt terrible for those employees.


Now, the reason why I am on Browncafe today is to see if anyone else from another Union did or has experienced a similar issue before? It seems to me almost criminal to take someone's entire weeks pay check at the beginning of the month when bills are due, just a few weeks before Christmas, especially when they are seasonal employees and will most likely never be able to take advantage of the benefits. For me, it wasn't as much of a big deal because I have a full-time job during the day and only picked up this job to help make some additional income for the holiday season and get in shape. I saw one employee crying because she had children at home to feed and was living paycheck to paycheck.

I also did a little research on Google and found an article from November 2018 stating that the Local 25 teamsters union was $5B in debt for their pension plan. Maybe there is a link between this event?

Please no trolls!

I give you much bravery for typing about this topic. Me and my wife joined the forum looking for help and have gotten nothing but insults so far . My wife says maybe I was to direct in my first post here on the forum. But I am angry and not a good typer. I have many problems with union too. None of which you post about. Once my typing gets better I consider going into management because of such a bad union.I wish you best of luck

 

[nWo]

I heard you the first 59 times.
So did every major news outlet in the USA. Are you happy now,

And by the way, or as we say in North Jersey: ”Not fuh nuthin”

But do you know how many thousands of wealthy tradespeople today have paid their way into the education and training required to obtain their current lucrative positions? *Cough cough* Airline Pilots
Electricians
Plumbers
Boilermakers
Welders

$500.00 is probably half the lowest of the above’s tuition rates

Not saying this was fair but take a second look…

It was for a seasonal minimum wage job with no benefits.

And the thing is the seasonal employees agreed to an installment plan. The union lied and yanked it all at once. The main issue in this thread was the union lying. Most of us expect honesty from our union officials.

 

[PT Car Washer]

It was for a seasonal minimum wage job with no benefits.

And the thing is the seasonal employees agreed to an installment plan. The union lied and yanked it all at once. The main issue in this thread was the union lying. Most of us expect honesty from our union officials.

Does someone taking a minimum wage Union job have much of a choice when agreeing to the Union taking a cut of their hard earned wages? Not a fan of RTW laws but I can see where some employees would be.

 

[J.D. Hogg]

Hello,

My name is Austin and I just recently started working as a seasonal part-time package handler for a UPS facility in Massachusetts back in late October. When I was hired the company had made it clear to me on my first day that the job was seasonal, however, I would still need to begin paying an initiation fee to the Local 25 Teamsters Union. The initiation fee is $500.

On my first day I was provided with union paperwork which I read thoroughly and signed off on. In the paper work it stated that the initiation fee was $500, however the Teamsters recognized that a part-time employee is financially unable to pay $500 upfront, so the fee was broken down into 15 and a half weeks of 32$ payments.

To mine surprise, when I received my pay check today it stated $0. At first I thought it was a mistake, but then other employees started expressing similar concerns saying either the majority or the entirety of their paycheck had been drained, even their attendance bonuses. In my paystub it clearly stated that the entire amount of my paycheck was deducted for Union dues.

Now this is where it gets interesting. Upon everyone receiving their paychecks, a mob began to form in the middle of the building, all employees upset that their entire pay checks had been drained due two union dues. It also appeared that no one seemed to know why this had happened.

Upon speaking with management, they had assured us that they had no idea that this was going to happen and that for the last 20 years an event like this had never taken place before. They then went on to say that union dues had always been taken out in incremental amounts until completed, never has employees checks been completely drained.

Management then referred employees affected by this issue to their union stewards. Now the mob switched their attention from management to the stewards standing by. The stewards seemed to have no idea that this was going to happen and could offer no explanation. Some of them even tried to shift the blame from the Union to UPS and Human Resources. After the crowd calmed down, we were given the Union Halls number which I immediately picked up my phone and called.

A women picked up and assured me that she had been receiving calls all day regarding the issue and could do nothing for me but take my name and number and refer it to the business rep. She said that the contract states that after 31 days the union has the right to take any remaining dues in full. I then proceeded to tell her that in the paper work I signed states the fee would be broken down into payments. To that, she had no comment. I then asked her who in the Union made this decision and she said that she did not know, but she felt terrible for those employees.


Now, the reason why I am on Browncafe today is to see if anyone else from another Union did or has experienced a similar issue before? It seems to me almost criminal to take someone's entire weeks pay check at the beginning of the month when bills are due, just a few weeks before Christmas, especially when they are seasonal employees and will most likely never be able to take advantage of the benefits. For me, it wasn't as much of a big deal because I have a full-time job during the day and only picked up this job to help make some additional income for the holiday season and get in shape. I saw one employee crying because she had children at home to feed and was living paycheck to paycheck.

I also did a little research on Google and found an article from November 2018 stating that the Local 25 teamsters union was $5B in debt for their pension plan. Maybe there is a link between this event?

Please no trolls!

Unfortunately, it's doubtful this situation will ever be corrected.

Once money is taken out of a paycheck, you just don't get it back.

They will deduct whatever money they want from your paycheck, and they are aware that most employees will say or do nothing about it -- because it's a hassle.

Expect your paychecks to be zero until all of the dues are collected.

 

[burrheadd]

Unfortunately, it's doubtful this situation will ever be corrected.

Once money is taken out of a paycheck, you just don't get it back.

They will deduct whatever money they want from your paycheck, and they are aware that most employees will say or do nothing about it -- because it's a hassle.

Expect your paychecks to be zero until all of the dues are collected.

Yo JD you realize Mart mans post was
From 2018 don’t you

 

[Jlandry]

Hahahaha. Sean will threaten you for this posting this.

 

[Yolo]

We have to remember. If we want to organize Amazon we cannot pull crap like this. The world is watching.

 

[2Down2Many2Go]

Noooo, nobody's watching but you

 

[Big Rigger]

It was for a seasonal minimum wage job with no benefits.

And the thing is the seasonal employees agreed to an installment plan. The union lied and yanked it all at once. The main issue in this thread was the union lying. Most of us expect honesty from our union officials.

Not so fast.
The company took my weeks vacation pay to back pay union dues they forgot when I was hired. I had to fight the company to get my vacation pay back and won. Then they decided to deduct double dues until I was caught up.

Unfortunately, it's doubtful this situation will ever be corrected.

Once money is taken out of a paycheck, you just don't get it back.

They will deduct whatever money they want from your paycheck, and they are aware that most employees will say or do nothing about it -- because it's a hassle.

Expect your paychecks to be zero until all of the dues are collected.

Incorrect. I got my money back. I just had to pay double dues monthly until I got caught up.

Keep beating the dead horses. The post is looking more and more like what it is...

political mudslinging.

I personally know a P.O. and an Eboard trustee that did much worse than what SO was reprimanded for and the difference is that they aren't running for office.
Let's quit rattling bones and get to work encouraging each other's strengths. The unions have enough bad pr and if the Teamsters are going after Amazon you all better quit biting each other or you might just bleed to death.

 

[542thruNthru]

political mudslinging.

I personally know a P.O. and an Eboard trustee that did much worse than what SO was reprimanded for and the difference is that they aren't running for office.
Let's quit rattling bones and get to work encouraging each other's strengths.

That's all this place ever is around this time.

The unions have enough bad pr and if the Teamsters are going after Amazon you all better quit biting each other or you might just bleed to death.

Amen to that brother!

 

[nWo]

Why does everyone keep bumping this old thread?

Not so fast.
The company took my weeks vacation pay to back pay union dues they forgot when I was hired. I had to fight the company to get my vacation pay back and won. Then they decided to deduct double dues until I was caught up.
Incorrect. I got my money back. I just had to pay double dues monthly until I got caught up.

Keep beating the dead horses. The post is looking more and more like what it is...

political mudslinging.

I personally know a P.O. and an Eboard trustee that did much worse than what SO was reprimanded for and the difference is that they aren't running for office.
Let's quit rattling bones and get to work encouraging each other's strengths. The unions have enough bad pr and if the Teamsters are going after Amazon you all better quit biting each other or you might just bleed to death.

Lol what? We had teamsters go home with 0$ paychecks. That is unacceptable. 50 hour work week. $0 check. There is 0 justification for that. Every single teamster deserves a paycheck.

 

[Big Rigger]

Why does everyone keep bumping this old thread?

Lol what? We had teamsters go home with 0$ paychecks. That is unacceptable. 50 hour work week. $0 check. There is 0 justification for that. Every single teamster deserves a paycheck.

More old news. Over and over. SMH.
Certain people bumped it weeks back are keeping it alive daily now. Its being brought back to life because of politics and I couldn't help but respond to that end. Whether I respond or not it's going to keep being bumped until the elections are over. Keep playing the game but quit blaming other folks for being fed up with old news mudslinging. "Lol"...that's "what".

 

[nWo]

I've read through this entire thread. Can someone clear this up?

According to a few members of local 25. The company shafted the new hires and seasonals.

If that is correct how come local 25 didn't file grievances for the new hires? If the company really shafted them grievances should have been filed. Penalty pay should have been awarded. How come this wasn't done?

NLRB charges were filed against local 25. NLRB charges weren't filed against UPS? How come the charges were filed against 25?

Dozens of new hires walked off the job that day. But local 25 made zero effort to return the money to those people? WHY Not? Its their money. They earned it? Shouldn't they receive it?

That single mother that was crying on the local news. Is local 25's official stance that she's a liar? Did she lie about the local refusing to help her? If her story is inaccurate can someone from 25 clear it up? How come the local thought it was okay to shaft her?

Can someone explain this to me? Because I have never seen a local behave like this before. It truly it's shocking.

These are extremely simple questions that have been asked repeatedly in this thread. Nobody has been willing to answer them. Why not?

50 pages in. Why can't anyone answer these extremely simple questions?

 

[nWo]

We have to remember. If we want to organize Amazon we cannot pull crap like this. The world is watching.

Excellent point. Stealing from seasonal employees makes all unions look bad.

 

[Jlandry]

Sean would never bully members or intimidate anyone. Lol

 

[nWo]

I love how people get super enraged about this thread being bumped? But they didn't give a when local 25 drained entire paychecks. Straighten your priorities up.

 

[burrheadd]

I love how people get super enraged about this thread being bumped? But they didn't give a * when local 25 drained entire paychecks. Straighten your priorities up.

Hello,

My name is Austin and I just recently started working as a seasonal part-time package handler for a UPS facility in Massachusetts back in late October. When I was hired the company had made it clear to me on my first day that the job was seasonal, however, I would still need to begin paying an initiation fee to the Local 25 Teamsters Union. The initiation fee is $500.

On my first day I was provided with union paperwork which I read thoroughly and signed off on. In the paper work it stated that the initiation fee was $500, however the Teamsters recognized that a part-time employee is financially unable to pay $500 upfront, so the fee was broken down into 15 and a half weeks of 32$ payments.

To mine surprise, when I received my pay check today it stated $0. At first I thought it was a mistake, but then other employees started expressing similar concerns saying either the majority or the entirety of their paycheck had been drained, even their attendance bonuses. In my paystub it clearly stated that the entire amount of my paycheck was deducted for Union dues.

Now this is where it gets interesting. Upon everyone receiving their paychecks, a mob began to form in the middle of the building, all employees upset that their entire pay checks had been drained due two union dues. It also appeared that no one seemed to know why this had happened.

Upon speaking with management, they had assured us that they had no idea that this was going to happen and that for the last 20 years an event like this had never taken place before. They then went on to say that union dues had always been taken out in incremental amounts until completed, never has employees checks been completely drained.

Management then referred employees affected by this issue to their union stewards. Now the mob switched their attention from management to the stewards standing by. The stewards seemed to have no idea that this was going to happen and could offer no explanation. Some of them even tried to shift the blame from the Union to UPS and Human Resources. After the crowd calmed down, we were given the Union Halls number which I immediately picked up my phone and called.

A women picked up and assured me that she had been receiving calls all day regarding the issue and could do nothing for me but take my name and number and refer it to the business rep. She said that the contract states that after 31 days the union has the right to take any remaining dues in full. I then proceeded to tell her that in the paper work I signed states the fee would be broken down into payments. To that, she had no comment. I then asked her who in the Union made this decision and she said that she did not know, but she felt terrible for those employees.


Now, the reason why I am on Browncafe today is to see if anyone else from another Union did or has experienced a similar issue before? It seems to me almost criminal to take someone's entire weeks pay check at the beginning of the month when bills are due, just a few weeks before Christmas, especially when they are seasonal employees and will most likely never be able to take advantage of the benefits. For me, it wasn't as much of a big deal because I have a full-time job during the day and only picked up this job to help make some additional income for the holiday season and get in shape. I saw one employee crying because she had children at home to feed and was living paycheck to paycheck.

You mean like this

 

[nWo]

Yes. Local 25 sending teamsters home in tears because the local decided to drain their entire paycheck is enraging.

Anyone willing to explain why local 25 thought that was necessary?

Don't get enraged because the thread was bumped. Tell us why local 25 thought this was an okay thing to do to our union brothers and sisters?