majority of US public school students in poverty

[DriveInDriveOut]

The USA has 1.4 million technical jobs that can't be filled by USA citizens because they don't have the skills.

All this talk from republicans about jobs jobs jobs, and we can't fill the ones we have....

 

[rod]

In our school district 2 out of 3 meals are subsidized. We don't have that many poor people. They have made it too easy to get on the gravy train.

 

[sailfish]

The whole college system needs torn down and rebuilt from the ground up. They're trying real hard lately to be not much more than quota-filling, SJW cesspools that want to rewrite history and exist only to give a few dipsh't tenured professors a job. I would love to see the day they are put out of business by online colleges with courses from actual professors.

 

[rod]

The whole college system needs torn down and rebuilt from the ground up. They're trying real hard lately to be not much more than quota-filling, SJW cesspools that want to rewrite history and exist only to give a few dipsh't tenured professors a job. I would love to see the day they are put out of business by online colleges with courses from actual professors.

It would be interesting to know how much money is wasted on getting a 4 year degree when a good percentage of students never work in the field they studied in. Either that or they got a worthless liberal arts degree. I know a women right now who is in her mid 40's who just the other day was crying about how much she still owed on her student loan. She's been a stay at home mother for 12 years now.

 

[sailfish]

It would be interesting to know how much money is wasted on getting a 4 year degree when a good percentage of students never work in the field they studied in. Either that or they got a worthless liberal arts degree. I know a women right now who is in her mid 40's who just the other day was crying about how much she still owed on her student loan. She's been a stay at home mother for 12 years now.

See, now she shouldn't even have went to college in the first place.

 

[It will be fine]

It would be interesting to know how much money is wasted on getting a 4 year degree when a good percentage of students never work in the field they studied in. Either that or they got a worthless liberal arts degree. I know a women right now who is in her mid 40's who just the other day was crying about how much she still owed on her student loan. She's been a stay at home mother for 12 years now.

Those MRS degrees are pricey these days.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Either that or they got a worthless liberal arts degree.

Liberal arts degrees aren't worthless, at least no more so than a business administration or computer science degree. Its a cliche talking point used by grumpy old people who haven't been in the educational system or job market in decades.

 

[Catatonic]

Liberal arts degrees aren't worthless, at least no more so than a business administration or computer science degree. Its a cliche talking point used by grumpy old people who haven't been in the educational system or job market in decades.

BS on that one DIDO.
I've seen too much of this.
A MBA prepares students for the business world.
The USA 1.4 million jobs open in computer programming jobs.
Unless you want to be a teacher or lawyer, these Liberal arts degrees are almost worthless.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

BS on that one DIDO.
I've seen too much of this.
A MBA prepares students for the business world.
The USA 1.4 million jobs open in computer programming jobs.
Unless you want to be a teacher or lawyer, these Liberal arts degrees are almost worthless.

I call bs on your statement that a degree prepares you for the world.

Almost worthless? Give me a break man, the numbers prove you wrong.

 

[Catatonic]

All this talk from republicans about jobs jobs jobs, and we can't fill the ones we have....

The US government should not loan/grant money for college Education except for study in the fields where there is a need.

 

[Catatonic]

I call bs on your statement that a degree prepares you for the world.

Almost worthless? Give me a break man, the numbers prove you wrong.

The college degree gives you the foundation on which you can tailor yourself for a job in the business world.

I'm sorry you have not experienced that.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

The college degree gives you the foundation on which you can tailor yourself for a job in the business world.

I sorry you have not experienced that.

To say a college degree is worthless is flat out wrong. I'm sorry you don't realize that.

Is the system that makes a degree necessary a complete scam, sure, but the numbers prove a liberal arts degree is not worthless in that system.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

The US government should not loan/grant money for college Education except for study in the fields where there is a need.

They shouldn't loan or grant it at all, not sure why you think they should.

 

[Catatonic]

They shouldn't loan or grant it at all, not sure why you think they should.

Because a prepared workforce is part of the infrastructure of a strong economy and supports the business's needs ... just like roads to me.

 

[Catatonic]

To say a college degree is worthless is flat out wrong. I'm sorry you don't realize that.

Is the system that makes a degree necessary a complete scam, sure, but the numbers prove a liberal arts degree is not worthless in that system.

Well, I'll let you be.
I question your understanding of the American business workplace though.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Well, I'll let you be.
I question your understanding of the American business workplace though.

Well, I'll let you be.
I question your understanding of the word worthless.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Because a prepared workforce is part of the infrastructure of a strong economy and supports the business's needs ... just like roads to me.

Support the business's needs, now we're getting down to it. Best to use tax payer money to train workers for businesses.

 

[Catatonic]

Well, I'll let you be.
I question your understanding of the word worthless.

I'll try another approach.
I don't want to fly in an airplane that was designed by someone without a Structural Engineering degree.
I don't want to be doctored by someone who did not get a Medical Doctorate.
You get the gist.

I can't think of any situation where I feel a need for an Arts, English, History or Philosophy degree being a prerequisite before that person completes a task/assignment/deliverable.

There are exceptions of course but probably the need is for 1% of the people who got degrees in this area.

I have had the unfortunate and extremely stressful experience of letting people go who were underprepared for the job.
There is just very little true need for Liberal Arts degrees.
Most people get degrees in these fields because they are much easier than STEM programs.

 

[vantexan]

I'll try another approach.
I don't want to fly in an airplane that was designed by someone without a Structural Engineering degree.
I don't want to be doctored by someone who did not get a Medical Doctorate.
You get the gist.

I can't think of any situation where I feel a need for an Arts, English, History or Philosophy degree being a prerequisite before that person completes a task/assignment/deliverable.

There are exceptions of course but probably the need is for 1% of the people who got degrees in this area.

I have had the unfortunate and extremely stressful experience of letting people go who were underprepared for the job.
There is just very little true need for Liberal Arts degrees.
Most people get degrees in these fields because they are much easier than STEM programs.

My nephew started out in an industrial design major which upon successful completion would've given him immediate well paid employment. Decided after a year it was too hard, and he had excellent high school grades and test scores leading to admittance to that course at Auburn, one of the top schools for industrial design. Now he's a communications major, having loads of fun. And competing against a lot of other communications majors for available jobs. This is why many jobs get filled by foreigners from countries like India, who have incredibly rigorous standards and students who take it very seriously.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

The US government should not loan/grant money for college Education except for study in the fields where there is a need.

Absolutely 100% agree.