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refineryworker05

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That is all delusional nonsense.
Rap and hip hop were commercialized from the very beginning. It was sold as counter culture to stupid people who wanted to believe they were unique. They were just sheep.

Carry on.
Baaaaahhhh!
well everything in popular culture is commercialized. How else would I living near Chicago, listen to rappers from new york if it wasn't commercial? So I don't get your point. Hip hop music was heavily criticized through out America in the late 1980's and the early 1990's. This is objective reality.
 

vantexan

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well everything in popular culture is commercialized. How else would I living near Chicago, listen to rappers from new york if it wasn't commercial? So I don't get your point. Hip hop music was heavily criticized through out America in the late 1980's and the early 1990's. This is objective reality.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about cancel culture. It's not about the movies, or music, etc. It's about the mob mentality on Twitter and other social media attacking anyone who has an opinion they don't accept as appropriate. You must fall in line or they will go after you personally, try to get you fired, etc. If they say Black Lives Matter, for example, it's not acceptable to say in their opinion all lives matter. People have been shut down for saying things like that. You have to ask yourself if that's the world you want for you and your family?
 

refineryworker05

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I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about cancel culture. It's not about the movies, or music, etc. It's about the mob mentality on Twitter and other social media attacking anyone who has an opinion they don't accept as appropriate. You must fall in line or they will go after you personally, try to get you fired, etc. If they say Black Lives Matter, for example, it's not acceptable to say in their opinion all lives matter. People have been shut down for saying things like that. You have to ask yourself if that's the world you want for you and your family?
No you have the misunderstanding. This thread is literally about a warning of some kind supposedly being put on some kids tv show(this is wrong, got this thread confused with another one my bad). My point is we already do this in America. And of course music and movies get canceled.
You are missing my point, when hip hop music first came out, powerful people were trying cancel hip hop music, the group too live crew had to risk going to jail to perform their songs, they got arrested and charged with a crime for performing their music. they arrested a record store owner for selling their album, they tried to limit the sell of the album. the police would tell nwa they couldn’t perform their song friend the police and they’d shut down their concerts. Tipper Gore, newsweek, the New York Times, Billboard, etc all criticized rap music as a danger to society. Congress held hearings on violence in rap music and made record labels put explicit lyric warning labels. They put heavy pressure on record labels to curb the violent content of hip hop music. People would hold press conferences and burn rap cd’s/tapes. What I’m trying to say is this shyt that y’all are pretending is new has been going on forever. Y’all just don’t recognize it as the same thing, but it is. People try to cancel shyt they don’t like all the time and forever it’s not new. Only difference is now they don’t use the government to try to get rid of stuff they don’t like.
But again through all of those attacks the fans of hip hop music didn’t think to whine that we were being attacked and silenced because other people criticized and tried to cancel hip hop music like republicans are doing over dr seuss or any number of bs culture war nonsense.
 
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vantexan

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No you have the misunderstanding. This thread is literally about a warning of some kind supposedly being put on some kids tv show(this is wrong, got this thread confused with another one my bad). My point is we already do this in America. And of course music and movies get canceled.
You are missing my point, when hip hop music first came out, powerful people were trying cancel hip hop music, the group too live crew had to risk going to jail to perform their songs, they got arrested and charged with a crime for performing their music. they arrested a record store owner for selling their album, they tried to limit the sell of the album. the police would tell nwa they couldn’t perform their song friend the police and they’d shut down their concerts. Tipper Gore, newsweek, the New York Times, Billboard, etc all criticized rap music as a danger to society. Congress held hearings on violence in rap music and made record labels put explicit lyric warning labels. They put heavy pressure on record labels to curb the violent content of hip hop music. People would hold press conferences and burn rap cd’s/tapes. What I’m trying to say is this shyt that y’all are pretending is new has been going on forever. Y’all just don’t recognize it as the same thing, but it is. People try to cancel shyt they don’t like all the time and forever it’s not new. Only difference is now they don’t use the government to try to get rid of stuff they don’t like.
But again through all of those attacks the fans of hip hop music didn’t think to whine that we were being attacked and silenced because other people criticized and tried to cancel hip hop music like republicans are doing over dr seuss or any number of bs culture war nonsense.
Nope, we're talking about the social media mob going after everything they deem inappropriate to the point that if you express an opinion about anything they don't like they try to shut down your voice. The more popular your voice is the more they go after you. As in try to get you fired, make you unhireable.
 

refineryworker05

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Nope, we're talking about the social media mob going after everything they deem inappropriate to the point that if you express an opinion about anything they don't like they try to shut down your voice. The more popular your voice is the more they go after you. As in try to get you fired, make you unhireable.
And I am comparing that to people using government power, pressure on record labels, and radio stations, and arresting people and shutting down their concerts to cancel hip hop music in the late 1980's and early 1990's. That's real cancel culture going to jail for performing a song. The comparison I am also making is comparing the reactions of fans of hip hop music to the government trying to cancel it, by not whining oh they are after us, trying to silence us, we are being persecuted. Compared to republicans whining over a dr seuss book or some rich a hole republican pundit breaking the TOS of social media companies getting banned, and republicans delusional perceptions and whining that they are being persecuted
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

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And I am comparing that to people using government power, pressure on record labels, and radio stations, and arresting people and shutting down their concerts to cancel hip hop music in the late 1980's and early 1990's. That's real cancel culture going to jail for performing a song. The comparison I am also making is comparing the reactions of fans of hip hop music to the government trying to cancel it, by not whining oh they are after us, trying to silence us, we are being persecuted. Compared to republicans whining over a dr seuss book or some rich a hole republican pundit breaking the TOS of social media companies getting banned, and republicans delusional perceptions and whining that they are being persecuted
Imagine being such a ridiculous leftist that you think Dr. Seuss books are comparable to disgusting ghetto music that glorifies crime, violence, and drug use.

Carry on.
 

refineryworker05

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Imagine being such a ridiculous leftist that you think Dr. Seuss books are comparable to disgusting ghetto music that glorifies crime, violence, and drug use.

Carry on.
I had no idea hip hop music which is very pro capitalist, individualist, contains stories of violence, loads of sexism was "leftist", but you are proving my point about republicans and their hypocrisy and delusional thinking. It's ok to criticize hip hop music and for the government to arrest people for performing their songs and try to cancel it because people like you think it's bad, but other people can't criticize dr. seuss or else that's cancel culture and persecution. LOL This kind of thinking only makes sense if one can't differentiate between art for children and art for adults and you believe only people like yourself get to decide what can be critiqued and what can't be critiqued, but we all get to decide. we all get to criticize art and say I don't like this or that about anything.
 

refineryworker05

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Imagine being such a ridiculous leftist that you think Dr. Seuss books are comparable to disgusting ghetto music that glorifies crime, violence, and drug use.

Carry on.
My point is cancel culture long predates this moment, that people try to cancel stuff they don't like all the time. and that when the US government was trying to cancel hip hop music, the fans of hip hop music didn't whine and cry that we were being canceled and prosecuted like republicans are over dr seuss.
 

refineryworker05

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Imagine being such a ridiculous leftist that you think Dr. Seuss books are comparable to disgusting ghetto music that glorifies crime, violence, and drug use.
I don't know why you think this point means anything or has anything to do with my point. Different types of art or entertainment exists, people who don't like that art or entertainment have always tried to cancel it. In the case of hip hop music the government arrested artists who performed their songs and canceled their concerts, that's real cancel culture. And yet despite wide spread criticism and attempts of the government to cancel rap music hip hop fans didn't whine and cry and say they were being silenced and canceled and persecuted unlike republicans over dr seuss
 
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