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moreluck

golden ticket member
"I have to admit Matt Lauer, whom I dislike in the first place and many other news outfits treat Obama like a celebrity. You have to admit Obama is a very likeable person that doesn't seem to have bad hang ups like other people in power. He seems like an average guy to me. "

I find nothing likeable about the guy. He's a narcissistic creep and if he's an average guy.....oh, I can't even think about that claim. He's a spoiled brat and has been given "passes" all his life. :knockedout:
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
I have to admit Matt Lauer, whom I dislike in the first place and many other news outfits treat Obama like a celebrity. You have to admit Obama is a very likeable person that doesn't seem to have bad hang ups like other people in power. He seems like an average guy to me.

Unionman in some ways I agree with what you just said "BUT" politicians, all politicians, are driven by image and especially public image. The big question if Obama is genuine or not mostly hinges down to where one's politics lay. Here's what I look at and you can take it or leave it. Go back to 2000' and look at what Bush said leading up to the election. Fastforward 2008' and do the very same thing with Obama. Now compare both men to what they said before they ever took the office to what they did after taking office. What both men did verses what they said stand in contrast. Granted Bush has 8 years to Obama's 1 year plus but the same results in my opinion doth apply. These guys are all political animals who are nothing more than puppets on string controlled by the very machine that creates them. When you move beyond the politics and their required alliegences, the actions of Bush and Obama really differ very little. The silliness of it all is that repubs are screaming about a man who in truth differ's very little from Bush whom they bowed to like some God and yet democrats now dyingly defend at all angles a man who is literally following Bush policies, policies 2 years ago were the equal of the end of all mankind for all time.

As long as you continue to play their game and follow them blindly, do you really expect anything to get any better no matter who is in office? I find it interesting that in recent days Wikileaks releases a video from Iraq 2007' and had this video hit the public in 2007' the democrat so-called liberal mouthpieces would be screaming at the top of their lungs but it's released in a new era and the silence from the so-called democrat/liberal/progressive construct in this country is most telling. If you want to see the video, google "Collateral Murder" but I'll warn you, it's troubling to watch no matter where you stand on the issue of Iraq.

As to the State of Mass. and Healthcare or Obamacare if you will, you might check out the article last Wednesday from the Christian Science Monitor entitled, "Who is the Father of Healthcare Reform: Romney or Obama?" which just proves my point that there is no difference between the 2 established and monopolized political parties. I've said this from the time I came here in 2002' til now much to the hatred and seething rage of varying political party idiots on both sides and each day the evidence to support my claims grow ever larger. Therefore I won't stop saying it because it's a matter of fact which we as a nation continue to ignore and deny hoping the next shining star will make it all better.

Politics is as fake as championship wrestling and I hold wrestling in higher esteem because at least they admit up front the fakery. If you ever have the time, google video the documentary entitled "The Corporation" and watch it if you haven't already. The middle part of that documentary goes into advertising and creating mental images and if that alone doesn't raise serious questions about our politicians, their campaigns and the public image, then I guess not much will at this point.

BTW: I think the announcement by Obama to do some off shore drilling was nothing more than a pure PR move (and a smart one from that POV) to try and drive down some of the healthcare fallout by throwing a bone to the drill here/drill now crowd. It won't work for all but it could qwell some of the more independent minded who thend to swing back and forth between parties on election day. It's a move of image need not principle need IMO.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
"I have to admit Matt Lauer, whom I dislike in the first place and many other news outfits treat Obama like a celebrity. You have to admit Obama is a very likeable person that doesn't seem to have bad hang ups like other people in power. He seems like an average guy to me. "

I find nothing likeable about the guy. He's a narcissistic creep and if he's an average guy.....oh, I can't even think about that claim. He's a spoiled brat and has been given "passes" all his life. :knockedout:

More,

Watch this and you may never watch ANY TV news the same again!

[video=youtube;eZkDikRLQrw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkDikRLQrw&feature=related[/video]
 

UPS Lifer

Well-Known Member
The Real Welfare cheats !
Let's stop the ignorance -- a handful of corporations own every major mass media outlet there is, and it's simply not in their interests to tell a teabagger that free, universal health care would be less than nothing compared to what the corporate elite has cost us.

As they say "stick & stones". Your views are so far out in left field that you can't even see that your team is up at the plate striking out! Most of the good ole USA is moderate and right of center. You think that the 4% of the people who are out in left field and I might add... in the bleachers getting sun stroke, think they know better than the rest of us. Your views make me laugh. You have a red cherry mustache from all that red Kool Aid you have been drinking. .... and I do mean RED Kool Aid! Say hi to Saul Alinsky for me!
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
As they say "stick & stones". Your views are so far out in left field that you can't even see that your team is up at the plate striking out! Most of the good ole USA is moderate and right of center. You think that the 4% of the people who are out in left field and I might add... in the bleachers getting sun stroke, think they know better than the rest of us. Your views make me laugh. You have a red cherry mustache from all that red Kool Aid you have been drinking. .... and I do mean RED Kool Aid! Say hi to Saul Alinsky for me!
If this is true, "repeal and replace" should be a walk in the park. But really, you don't want to bet the farm on your exaggerated claims now, do you?
 

diesel96

Well-Known Member
there you go, repeating that slur first brought forth by cable media, without really explaining what it means, to them at least.

Why can't you just call Tea Party members just what they are...............American Citizens

As they say "stick & stones". Your views are so far out in left field that you can't even see that your team is up at the plate striking out! Most of the good ole USA is moderate and right of center. You think that the 4% of the people who are out in left field and I might add... in the bleachers getting sun stroke, think they know better than the rest of us. Your views make me laugh. You have a red cherry mustache from all that red Kool Aid you have been drinking. .... and I do mean RED Kool Aid! Say hi to Saul Alinsky for me!

It is as useful to remind Baba, UPS Lifer, and any other Tea-Party sheep supporter anew of how the term originated and with whom. A TV news report aired last March 14 in which a correspondent described the original protest act, ‘take a teabag, put it in an envelope, and mail it to the White House.’ He added, ‘reteaparty.com has a headline Teabag the Fools in D.C. on tax day.’ Thus the verb to teabag was invented by the teabaggers themselves, and the correspondent who put it on TV was a Griff Jenkins of Fox News. Send your complaints to him.
The teabaggers coined their own name, without realizing what it also means, and then they blamed their critics for their stupidity. By the way, why did it take them so long to figure out what a teabagger is? Why has this outrage on their part flared up recently?
It is as if none of them know how to use Google. (I’ll help you out teabaggers. Google isn’t another sexual term. It is a search engine. Ask one of your grand kids to show you how it works).Fox News helped spread the term before MSNBC or any other Lefty got a hold of it, but as we know in the teabagger mind, Fox News can do no wrong, so it is a given that they won’t believe me for that matter....
BTW...The Red Ink is dedicated to you Lifer, enjoy getting rid of this stain.....



I find nothing likeable about the guy. He's a narcissistic creep and if he's an average guy.....oh, I can't even think about that claim. He's a spoiled brat and has been given "passes" all his life. :knockedout:

Editor in chief of the Harvard Law review...umm...given a pass uh ?
I raised my Kid-Nephew since he was 13....His hard work and dedication earned him the prestigous position of Villanova's Editor in chief 2003'. I can assure you of personal experience there is nothing further from the truth of your disengenius post. I almost smypathize for you with how Fox and the Rt Wing Think Tanks have formed your opinions...
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
bho was in 1990 elected the first black president of the Harvard Law Review , not editor .

Since no one has ever seen his school records, for some strange reason, defending him is useless.
{ IMHO it's because he listed himself as a foreign student, much easier to obtain scholarships }
 

UPS Lifer

Well-Known Member
If this is true, "repeal and replace" should be a walk in the park. But really, you don't want to bet the farm on your exaggerated claims now, do you?

bbsam,
I wouldn't say that the claims are exaggerated if you look at who comprises the American voters. I do agree that repealing the law is a real stretch. After all, it is the people we voted in who would have to repeal the law. I think there is a better chance for the state lawsuits (of which my state is a part of) to win in the Supreme Ct. I am also hopeful that come November people who support repeal are elected to help stop the funding of this law that will bankrupt our country.

What galls me about certain posters is there BLIND support for BO and Congress. I think you need to be a critical thinker when it comes to politics. You need to look past all the hype and look at actions not talk. You need to be cognizant of future ramifications of actions taken. You also need to look at historical events and how policies shaped the past to see what impact these policies might affect the future.

I have been around a lot of left wing and right wing thinkers. They completely discount the other sides point of view. To them there is no other side except wacko! Most of us are in the middle and we are watching the American dream slip away for us and our children and their children. I feel very comfortable in saying that most independents who voted for Obama did not sign on for any of this. Obama talks a centrist game and acts in an ultra liberal to liberal fashion. He does just enough in the centrist arena to keep centrists at bay. Look at his actions and the people he surrounds himself with. He is socializing America in a slow and very deliberate fashion which will do irreparable harm to this country within next 3-8 years. Your first indication will be inflation - and rising interest rates and higher taxes for the 53% who pay taxes. The other 47% don't care because they are getting everything handed to them.


A lot of the members of Congress are concerned with only two things ... raising a war chest and getting re-elected. A Rasmussen poll conducted mid March showed that only 11% of the people polled thought that Congress is doing a good to excellent job. My guess is that most of them are far left liberals. 64% think that Congress is doing a poor job. Based on the kool-aid I read from Diesel I think he is in the top 4% of the left left wing. This is only my opinion.
 

Lue C Fur

Evil member
He is socializing America in a slow and very deliberate fashion which will do irreparable harm to this country within next 3-8 years. Your first indication will be inflation - and rising interest rates and higher taxes for the 53% who pay taxes. The other 47% don't care because they are getting everything handed to them.

Rant on:

This is what i dont understand about some people. Should you not be upset that you work hard for your money and yet you get penalized by the Govt for being sucessful. The more our govt gives to the freeloaders the more they will take and there is no reason for them to get a decent education and job to be a productive member of society. It is like the govt wants to keep the lower income people down...like slavery. Instead of handouts how about a hand up. Also if this VAT happens it will actually hurt the poor class more but im guessing in the end there will be something else from the Govt will give to the lower income people to make up for it. Does it not make sense to get a good education, learn a skill and get a decent job. Seems like that would better money spent on Americas future. If our current govt keeps going in this socialist direction then it will be more like 50% dont pay taxes and the other 50% will and it will be an even higher percentage...again your penalized for being successful. :madashell:
Rant off...
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

Well-Known Member
VAT is already in place. I had dinner at Friendly's a few nights ago and noticed the letters VAT where TAX used to be on the receipt. NYS sales tax is 4% but each county is allowed to set and add their own tax to that 4%. Ours is 4% which would make the total 8% but when I calculated the VAT it worked out to about 8.25%.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Repealing is probably impossible because Odrama can veto that......However, not funding the bill will kill it. It can do nothing without the funding. Then a new bill can be made.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Republican Rep. Steve King has filed a bill to repeal Obamacare. This is its entire text:

Effective as of the enactment of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, such Act is repealed, and the provisions of law amended or repealed by such Act are restored or revived as if such Act had not been enacted.
 

diesel96

Well-Known Member
More,

Watch this and you may never watch ANY TV news the same again!

Like my signature says,...Fox News Channel's new Motto:
"We alter reality. You are sold a preconceived narrative."
As usual, your well conceived point goes un-challenged.....


bho was in 1990 elected the first black president of the Harvard Law Review , not editor .

Since no one has ever seen his school records, for some strange reason, defending him is useless.
{ IMHO it's because he listed himself as a foreign student, much easier to obtain scholarships }

thank you, my error

bho was in 1990 elected the first half black president of the Harvard Law Review, not editor.

President/Editor-in-Chief of Law Reviews are one in the same......Sort of like calling Richard...."Dick"
:congrats::student: You failed !
BTW Moreluck/BaBa....If a young unknown Obama stumbled upon a KKK Rally, just by phyiscal appearance, do you think those jobbers would consider him half black ?

bbsam,
I wouldn't say that the claims are exaggerated if you look at who comprises the American voters. I do agree that repealing the law is a real stretch. After all, it is the people we voted in who would have to repeal the law. I think there is a better chance for the state lawsuits (of which my state is a part of) to win in the Supreme Ct. I am also hopeful that come November people who support repeal are elected to help stop the funding of this law that will bankrupt our country.

What galls me about certain posters is there BLIND support for BO and Congress. I think you need to be a critical thinker when it comes to politics. You need to look past all the hype and look at actions not talk. You need to be cognizant of future ramifications of actions taken. You also need to look at historical events and how policies shaped the past to see what impact these policies might affect the future.

I have been around a lot of left wing and right wing thinkers. They completely discount the other sides point of view. To them there is no other side except wacko! Most of us are in the middle and we are watching the American dream slip away for us and our children and their children. I feel very comfortable in saying that most independents who voted for Obama did not sign on for any of this. Obama talks a centrist game and acts in an ultra liberal to liberal fashion. He does just enough in the centrist arena to keep centrists at bay. Look at his actions and the people he surrounds himself with. He is socializing America in a slow and very deliberate fashion which will do irreparable harm to this country within next 3-8 years. Your first indication will be inflation - and rising interest rates and higher taxes for the 53% who pay taxes. The other 47% don't care because they are getting everything handed to them.


A lot of the members of Congress are concerned with only two things ... raising a war chest and getting re-elected. A Rasmussen poll conducted mid March showed that only 11% of the people polled thought that Congress is doing a good to excellent job. My guess is that most of them are far left liberals. 64% think that Congress is doing a poor job. Based on the kool-aid I read from Diesel I think he is in the top 4% of the left left wing. This is only my opinion.

It's not blind support for Obama and Congress as much as squashing myths, lies, and fairy tales of the hysterical Rt Wingers. The vile attacks of Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, and other members of Congress are a product of the Rights mouthpieces in the form of Conservative talk radio-heads, Sarah Palin, and Fox News Media giant, and not the actual "movers and shakers" puppets elected in GOP positions. The Talking-Heads call the shots, elected GOP'er's don't dare cross them, or suffer their wrath...These Neo-Con facilitaters are like fighting Pit Bull owners and have all Rt Wingers shaken up and rabidly foaming at the mouth. Their pre-fight methods of riling up these Conservative dogs are all based on fear, hype, and speculation, with and insatiable appetite for re-accuiring power at any means neccessary, even if that means we fail as a country. Very un-American....


Rant on:

This is what i dont understand about some people. Should you not be upset that you work hard for your money and yet you get penalized by the Govt for being sucessful. The more our govt gives to the freeloaders the more they will take and there is no reason for them to get a decent education and job to be a productive member of society. It is like the govt wants to keep the lower income people down...like slavery. Instead of handouts how about a hand up. Also if this VAT happens it will actually hurt the poor class more but im guessing in the end there will be something else from the Govt will give to the lower income people to make up for it. Does it not make sense to get a good education, learn a skill and get a decent job. Seems like that would better money spent on Americas future. If our current govt keeps going in this socialist direction then it will be more like 50% dont pay taxes and the other 50% will and it will be an even higher percentage...again your penalized for being successful. :madashell:
Rant off...

Poor li'l Lue, angry that our government provides welfare to middle class and poor citizens. That’s socialism :soapbox:, where the government taxes one in accordance with the ability to pay and then gives to another. Wow, that’s Karl Marxism, isn’t it? "That’s godless Communism". "That’s un-American!" "Poor people are just lazy!" :angry: "Middle class people in need have made poor decisions or failed to plan correctly". :angry: "Why would any American be forced at the point of a gun to help these freeloaders ?"
But does the Tea Party/Limited Gov't mentality care the same about corporate welfare? I’ve seen the protests on FOX News over health care reform. I’ve seen the protests against big Gov't. But why are the "pretenders" silent on the issue of corporate welfare when corporate welfare dwarfs the amount of tax dollars spent on citizen welfare?
Investment Bankers received billions in corporate welfare and yet, there were no Tea Party protest on Wall Street. U.S. sugar corporations for example, receive millions of dollars in subsidies year after year every, but I have yet to see the Tea Party protest at the mansions of the sugar C.E.O.’s. When the Patriot Act was signed into law, there was no Tea Party protest asking if anyone read the bill. When that bill resulted in billions of new tax payer dollars being spent by private corporations on questionable and possibly fraudulent means, there was no Tea Party protests in front of Blackwater or Halliburton (Cheney) corporations. Apparently, the Tea Party does not mind being forced at the point of a gun to help these kinds of people.
To summarize the position of the "so called" fiscally Conservatives on government welfare; using their tax dollars to help a five year old cancer victim receive adequate care is godless pinko commie socialism but using their tax dollars to help fund endless wars, foriegn occupation, and a Wall Street banker make the payment on his Ferrari is just the good old free market making sure to keep the American Dream alive!
So why is the Tea Party/Limited Gov't fakers, a group comprised of mostly poor and middle class individuals protesting against what is in their own self interest and ignoring that which is clearly not in their best interest? I have two theories.
The first possible cause is the information source that the Tea Party and most of Americans use or are unwittingly subjected to each day as WKMAC pointed out. Nearly all major media is owned by a few corporations. It is reasonable to assume that, while corporations compete with each other for market share, they cooperate with each other as they share mutual interests of the public’s approval of corporations. We are told that corporations are our friends and we are the shareholders own out little 401K's! Never mind that most corporations is owned by few of us, all in an effort dismissing any negative comments as commie pinko socialism.

Secondly the middle class/poor "fiscal Conservatives" who send their meager earnings, supporting the rich over the poor, because they imagine that some day, they too will be rich, as that is the promise of The American Dream, a message that is preached to them each day from the corporation owned media. They are told by this corporate media that the major obstacle keeping them from this dream are the high taxes at the point of a gun for government spending on lazy people. The decisons of corporations to send jobs overseas, to rig the investment market so only the wealthy can prosper, to infiltrate our govenement at every level to control our nation for the benefit of the wealthy have no impact on anyone reaching that dream. And what about the high taxes that wind up in the pockes of corporate billionaires? Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...with his own Kool-Aid stand...
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
In other news, the sun came up this morning. Again.

Hope your day was as beautiful as ours. :wink2:

As usual, your well conceived point goes un-challenged.....

I'm getting use to it Dezzie!
:happy-very:

You get a chance and have a couple of hours, check out the documentary "The Corporation" as I think you'll appreciate some of it for sure. Maybe even more. You'll really love the part about the "Nag Factor" and you'll just have to watch to see what that is.
:wink2:

BTW: A great website with over 1000 documentaries for free view is "Top Documentary Films" and for parents with school kids, the history and science sections has tons of great stuff.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
"The vile attacks of Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, and other members of Congress ....."

I know that's probably a typo on your part or maybe a Freudian slip....hmmmmm, could be you've seen the light....Alleluia !!
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
President/Editor-in-Chief of Law Reviews are one in the same..
The Harvard Law Review is a student-run organization whose primary purpose is to publish a journal of legal scholarship. The Review comes out monthly from November through June and has roughly 2000 pages per volume. The organization is formally independent of the Harvard Law School. Student editors make all editorial and organizational decisions and, together with a professional business staff of three, carry out day-to-day operations.

Aside from serving as an important academic forum for legal scholarship, the Review has two other goals. First, the journal is designed to be an effective research tool for practicing lawyers and students of the law. Second, it provides opportunities for Review members to develop their own editing and writing skills. Accordingly, each issue contains pieces by student editors as well as outside authors.

MEMBERSHIP SELECTION
Membership in the Harvard Law Review is limited to second- and third-year law students who are selected on the basis of their performance on an annual writing competition. Harvard Law School students who are interested in joining the Review must write the competition at the end of their 1L year, even if they plan to take time off during law school or are pursuing a joint degree and plan to spend a year at another Harvard graduate school. Students who spend their 1L year at other law schools and are applying to transfer to Harvard Law School must write the competition in the spring before their 2L year and must be admitted to Harvard Law School to become a member of the Review.

So answer me this..........why is bho not releasing any of these writings ?
 
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