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[Frankie's Friend]

No tough guy, my point was in agreeance with your point about a hub rat being cheaper than a driver on OT.. they have the driver at $50+/hr unloading smalls instead of the guy at $9 an hour.


Im referring to drivers unloading smalls when they get back, instead of the inside guy whos only job is unloading trucks and who makes maybe 1/5th of a driver on OT

15 seconds? you must never have done any heavy pick up route, or a UPS store or anything like that. when the company considers a "small" to be under 16 inches, you might pick up 150 smalls from a UPS store. or any heavy pick up route where you are filling the truck and picking up a few hundred pieces, you cant always have them containerized already when you get back due to space constraints or lack of containers (and we have zero totes available to us, only forever bags and driver release bags). just because some people only pick up 10 smalls every day doesnt mean others arent picking up a ton

Not having totes is not my problem. That's company neglect in your facility. We containerize them as we pick them up and place them on the belt when and if we park our own vehicles. This rule has never changed for over 20 years and we work as directed. They want them containerized so they have to provide the containers.

We also have a driver that takes 8-10 totes to the customer to containerize the heavy volume of smalls in pickups. Some pick up 400-500 smalls. They are all containerized when they get back to the center. We get paid to containerize small pkgs therefore we do. The customers that ship a "ton" of smalls were given a forever bag holder and they bag the smalls for us. Just gotta use some ingenuity.

I've driven 26 different routes in over a quarter of a century and I've seen about every volume situation imaginable.

It's not that hard.

 

[1989]

Not having totes is not my problem. That's company neglect in your facility. We containerize them as we pick them up and place them on the belt when and if we park our own vehicles. This rule has never changed for over 20 years and we work as directed. They want them containerized so they have to provide the containers.

We also have a driver that takes 8-10 totes to the customer to containerize the heavy volume of smalls in pickups. Some pick up 400-500 smalls. They are all containerized when they get back to the center. We get paid to containerize small pkgs therefore we do. The customers that ship a "ton" of smalls were given a forever bag holder and they bag the smalls for us. Just gotta use some ingenuity.

I've driven 26 different routes in over a quarter of a century and I've seen about every volume situation imaginable.

It's not that hard.

Rookie

 

[Faceplanted]

My building “ran out of fuel” today As well. This company is getting ran into the ground right before our eyes: unbelievable.

 

[trickpony1]

This company is getting ran into the ground right before our eyes:

I hope the SEC, Union and other enforcement/oversight agencies are watching this so the company doesn't try any tricks.

 

[opey]

The problem is that the unloader(s) may not get to that package car and those smalls right away.

They are willing to pay the driver a buck or two to unload those smalls and get them to the small sort instead of waiting on that lower paid unloader, who may be 5 or 10 minutes from getting to that car.

We do that here, but only unload the smalls that we toted or bagged.

We leave those bigger smalls for the unloader.

i have literally parked, the unloader immediately jumped in the truck and started unloading, and the line sup barked at ME for not unloading and had the unloader stop so i could do it.

we are also supposed to unload all smalls... under 16 inches and 8 pounts.. and every now and then they have people go around and check all the cars and take pics of any smalls left in the car or on the belt not containerized.

Not having totes is not my problem. That's company neglect in your facility. We containerize them as we pick them up and place them on the belt when and if we park our own vehicles. This rule has never changed for over 20 years and we work as directed. They want them containerized so they have to provide the containers.

We also have a driver that takes 8-10 totes to the customer to containerize the heavy volume of smalls in pickups. Some pick up 400-500 smalls. They are all containerized when they get back to the center. We get paid to containerize small pkgs therefore we do. The customers that ship a "ton" of smalls were given a forever bag holder and they bag the smalls for us. Just gotta use some ingenuity.

I've driven 26 different routes in over a quarter of a century and I've seen about every volume situation imaginable.

It's not that hard.

I understand everything you are saying, and yes it is neglect, but you sound more like management than a 25+ year driver. You describe a perfect world, which doesnt exist at UPS, at least not where I am. When they started breaking balls about this a year or so ago, we said we have no totes... so for a week or so, we had totes in the morning, and even stacked for when we got back. That lasted maybe 2 weeks, and we havent had access to totes since then. There are forever bags, but they are a pain and dont fit much of the larger smalls...great if you are picking up envelopes and such, not great for 6 inch square boxes. if smalls were actually smalls and werent classified as packages up to 16 inches, it wouldnt be much of an issue. and hey if they wanna pay us the OT to do it then so be it, it just doesnt make sense financially

 

[Frankie's Friend]

i have literally parked, the unloader immediately jumped in the truck and started unloading, and the line sup barked at ME for not unloading and had the unloader stop so i could do it.

we are also supposed to unload all smalls... under 16 inches and 8 pounts.. and every now and then they have people go around and check all the cars and take pics of any smalls left in the car or on the belt not containerized.



I understand everything you are saying, and yes it is neglect, but you sound more like management than a 25+ year driver. You describe a perfect world, which doesnt exist at UPS, at least not where I am. When they started breaking balls about this a year or so ago, we said we have no totes... so for a week or so, we had totes in the morning, and even stacked for when we got back. That lasted maybe 2 weeks, and we havent had access to totes since then. There are forever bags, but they are a pain and dont fit much of the larger smalls...great if you are picking up envelopes and such, not great for 6 inch square boxes. if smalls were actually smalls and werent classified as packages up to 16 inches, it wouldnt be much of an issue. and hey if they wanna pay us the OT to do it then so be it, it just doesnt make sense financially

No totes =s no compliance with their smalls rules.
Dont worry, I'm not sympathetic to management's impossible demands but when we need totes and ask for them they either get them for us or they unload loose volume all night...we dont care.

As for supes harassing us for not containerizing smalls without containers, good luck with that.
We work as directed unless the directive is impossible and the pcm becomes a train wreck when their stupidity abounds.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Btw @opey , our smalls are up to 9-10 lbs each.
They load at least one tote in each PC here in the morning to remind drivers to containerize small pkgs.
Does every driver do it? Nope. But more do than not. Our management to hourly correspondence on the local sort is zero unless we speak to supes on the way into the building or when we're leaving.
We dont hear anything about containerizing smalls anymore.

 

[Mooseknuckle]

I can't believe there's areas where the drivers don't refuel their own cars. You're telling me that there's one or two guys that have to refuel a whole fleet of trucks every night? Stupidest thing I've ever heard.

We get out so late that there isn't time for 150 drivers to use 2 gas pumps. That's a lot of late air. Car wash does it. They have a lot of time since they don't wash cars.

 

[JL 0513]

We get out so late that there isn't time for 150 drivers to use 2 gas pumps. That's a lot of late air. Car wash does it. They have a lot of time since they don't wash cars.

Um, you don't refuel in the morning, you refuel when you pull in at night. Everyone flows in at staggered times. Takes 2 minutes, then we park our car in the right spot. The inefficiency of having the car wash guy do it is mind boggling.

 

[JL 0513]

My building “ran out of fuel” today As well. This company is getting ran into the ground right before our eyes: unbelievable.

Talking about running out of things, are any other buildings having issues getting DR bags? We've been back ordered for the last month and its barely rained so we haven't been going through a ton, fortunately. But we still don't have any supply.
Why are we dealing with a supplier who can't produce? Don't get me started on soap and paper towels...

 

[Mooseknuckle]

Um, you don't refuel in the morning, you refuel when you pull in at night. Everyone flows in at staggered times. Takes 2 minutes, then we park our car in the right spot. The inefficiency of having the car wash guy do it is mind boggling.

You can't even get to the pump at night. I guess our building has a very different layout than yours.

 

[BSWALKS]

Talking about running out of things, are any other buildings having issues getting DR bags? We've been back ordered for the last month and its barely rained so we haven't been going through a ton, fortunately. But we still don't have any supply.
Why are we dealing with a supplier who can't produce? Don't get me started on soap and paper towels...

We've been out for about a month as well. They brought in a couple pallets of the clear trash bag the porter uses.

They actually work well.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

We get out so late that there isn't time for 150 drivers to use 2 gas pumps. That's a lot of late air. Car wash does it. They have a lot of time since they don't wash cars.

Um, you don't refuel in the morning, you refuel when you pull in at night. Everyone flows in at staggered times. Takes 2 minutes, then we park our car in the right spot. The inefficiency of having the car wash guy do it is mind boggling.

I dont think he meant that their carwash fueled in the morning.
Our guy does it at night.
Every building is different.

 

[JL 0513]

I dont think he meant that their carwash fueled in the morning.
Our guy does it at night.
Every building is different.

Yes, I know they do them at night but it's still far less efficient than drivers taking 2 minutes to do it on the way in.

In my center the pump is the first thing you come upon when you pull into lot. You pass it whether you fill or not. There's usually no more than one guy ahead of you.

 

[Maple Grove MN Driver]

I spent at least an hour every night putting smalls in totes and unloading totes the last 5 years of my career.
It was easy money. Guaranteed I would be overallowed.
I was working as directed

 

[542thruNthru]

Um, you don't refuel in the morning, you refuel when you pull in at night. Everyone flows in at staggered times. Takes 2 minutes, then we park our car in the right spot. The inefficiency of having the car wash guy do it is mind boggling.

Don't care how inefficient it is. We have people that do it and it's their job. I'd rather create a job then take it away. When you have 250 trucks coming in between 6pm-7pm it will back up quick. Also if you're the last guy are you supposed to move every single truck in the building to park your car?

Nope and that's why we have Car Wash.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Yes, I know they do them at night but it's still far less efficient than drivers taking 2 minutes to do it on the way in.

In my center the pump is the first thing you come upon when you pull into lot. You pass it whether you fill or not. There's usually no more than one guy ahead of you.

We have about 10-15 PCs consistantly lined up between 1830-1930. It would take me 20 min just to get to the pumps. We have 4 bays but 2 pump nozzles. Great plan. 4 nozzles would be really efficient but what would I know...I'm only a truck driver.

 

[Whitelexus]

Girls don’t need gas

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

 

[BSWALKS]

They started issuing gas ration stamps here.

The average route uses 8.25 gallons a day, but the stamps are good for only 6.01765.

Warning letters being issued if you run out.