No new 22.2 jobs created in this contract!

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by Ilovetoast, Sep 20, 2018.

  1. Ilovetoast

    Ilovetoast Member

    Union Rep explained to me there will be no new 22.2 inside/inside jobs created in this contract!

    I’m in shock, I have been waiting 15 years and for the looks of it I’ll be Waiting a lot longer.

    Does anyone know if you’re allowed to bid on a 22.2 job when your a 22.3.
    Or are you stuck working weekends for the rest of your life?
    I asked my local Union rep and he said he’ll get back to me...He never did

    My dream is to get off the road and out of this package car. I’m a Air driver working full time hours.
  2. UnconTROLLed

    UnconTROLLed perfection

    are you talking about inside/inside 22.3? Because the 22.2 jobs are top driver rate grandfathered jobs, they don't create any more of those in our area. Yes we can bid them, here, along with feeders.
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    DELACROIX In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier

    In reality there has been no new 22.2's position created over the last 30 years at least in my Local. They are only bid once there is a vacancy and bid within the classification first and if no one in a 22.2 position wants it then it goes by overall seniority in any classification.

    The number of 22.2's were guaranteed from replacement ..I really do not how that previous language is being interpreted currently with the recent contract.
  4. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt

    I know of some 22.2 jobs created in Locals to assist in fueling the new CNG tractors.

    They didn't want to make them 22.3 combos, so they were bid as 22.2.

    Absolutely correct.

    Nothing has changed.

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  5. DirtySouth

    DirtySouth Active Member

    They are not required to create any additional 22.3 jobs (or even 22.2 jobs) under the TA as they've been required to do over the last 4 contracts.

    The 5,000 new FT jobs can either be feeder jobs (that they must create anyway in order to compete with FedEx by taking work off the rail), 22.4 hybrid driver jobs, and likely new package car jobs (once the 22.4's are maxed out by percentage in high growth areas.)
  6. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt



    You're trying to "blend" the 2 different articles together ?

    As far as job creation ?
  7. llamainmypocket

    llamainmypocket Active Member

    You can pretty much kiss 22.3 jobs goodbye too. 22.4 count towards 22.3 jobs so no new ones will be created.
  8. opie

    opie Active Member

    They are supposed to maintain the 22.3 jobs created in the previous contracts. But all they do is just turn the job into a part-time job once a 22.3 leaves the position.
  9. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt

    The company is contractually required to.

    The company can "move" the job to another location.
  10. bowhnterdon

    bowhnterdon Active Member

    There is the rub. Who keeps up with where the jobs go?
  11. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    Curious how they verify it's been moved to another location and not just turned into 2 Part time jobs.

    Honest question
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  12. cachmeifucan

    cachmeifucan Well-Known Member

    Ups never follows the contract
  13. silenze

    silenze Lunch is the best part of the day

    Why not. Ups is not required to create any jobs. There is no penalty if they don't
  14. llamainmypocket

    llamainmypocket Active Member

  15. llamainmypocket

    llamainmypocket Active Member

    Accidently wrote in quote.
  16. Ilovetoast

    Ilovetoast Member

    The language is so vague on the 22.4 jobs! If I accept a 22.4 Job can I bid for a 22.3 job if it opens up?

    Also can 22.4 jobs bid For fedder openings after one year?
  17. Tony Q

    Tony Q Well-Known Member

    All 22.2 and 22.3 jobs are protected. They have always been. After about three or four years when UPS realizes that there won’t be as big a need for 22.4 drivers they will fill out the rest of the guaranteed jobs with 22.3 jobs.
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  18. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    They are creating 22.4.1 's
  19. DirtySouth

    DirtySouth Active Member

    That's the way my BA (who sat on the UPS Master Negotiating Committee) explained it in our local's contract presentation meeting. It's possible that he's wrong.

    Article 22, Sec 4, Paragraph 11 also states:

  20. Heavy Package

    Heavy Package Well-Known Member

    Another reason to vote no. You are spot on with this issue. Think about it - If you are PT with no interest in driving, your wait to go FT could now be a lot longer. And it holds down wage rates as well - For those who want to go back into the hub and out of driving.
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