NO RPCD will be laid off language should be changed.

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by browned out, Jul 29, 2018.

  1. browned out

    browned out Well-Known Member

    If we can not get the 22.4 position removed.

    Then this deceptive, vague open to interpretation language could easily be clarified.


    No RPCD shall be laid off or displaced from the classification
    while 22.4 combination drivers are working in the building
    .

    How about correcting that language to:

    No RPCD shall be laid off or displaced from the classification if 22.4 combination drivers work ANY DAY in that week.
     
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  2. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    Yes yes yes
     
  3. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    Agree. Wouldn’t happen though. Would blow up one of the Company’s primary reasons for having created the 22.4 underclass.
     
  4. PT Car Washer

    PT Car Washer Well-Known Member

    Or if any 22.3 air driver is working.
     
  5. born2Bwild

    born2Bwild Active Member

    Agree but even more how about this:
    - All RPCD will have uniform starting time
    - no advance work from Monday to Sunday, rather
    - hold work any additional from Sunday to Monday so that the route cuts on Monday will be less and more RPCD will be working
     
  6. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    Just get rid of 22.4 altogether and expand on their personal vehicle delivery. The company will save millions over 22.4s
     
  7. Mst3k

    Mst3k Active Member

    I am more worried about them not hiring 22.4 drivers. What is to stop them from scheduling you all week and sending you home 4 days. This would contractually prevent many of us from useing the layoff language and pushing back into the building.
     
  8. cachmeifucan

    cachmeifucan Well-Known Member

    I'm a 22.3 and sometimes I get sent home so part time can finish up.so no amount of language will help. We all know ups breaks the language all the time
     
  9. PappyLand

    PappyLand Active Member

    They can’t send you home if you demand your 8 hours. 22.4 or not.
     
  10. born2Bwild

    born2Bwild Active Member

    Do they cut route in your center on Mondays and RPCD sent home? Remember.... “IF WORK IS AVAILABLE “? so what do you think will happen if Monday’s work was advanced to Sunday delivered by lower labor rate And the contract says if work is available?
    We’re not naive as to what the company will do
    NO vote is better option
    Just remember the longer we hold for better contract the bigger the reward will be
     
  11. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    In Article 22, Section 4. (b), Item 1 on page 9 of the NM:

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    Note the specific use of "if reporting" right before "if work is available".

    22.4s have an 8 hour guarantee with no "if work is available" precondition under Item 5 of the same article/section:

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  12. wide load

    wide load Starting wage is a waste of time.

    Company created? Lol
     
  13. Wally World

    Wally World New Member

    I noticed it also says no rpcd can be laid off or displaced if a 22.4 driver is working inside the building. So at 8:15 when ups switches them from preload to driving the rpcd can be laid off while the 22.4 is on the road.
     
  14. born2Bwild

    born2Bwild Active Member

    These are to be scheduled t-s,so no 22.4 are going to be working that day
     
  15. Brownsocks

    Brownsocks Just a dog

    What about when they inside building p.m.? File, file, file... I bet "As long as work is available" along with 22.4 is the most dangerous language to the future of RPCD's ever put in a UPS contract.
     
  16. Brown140

    Brown140 New Member

    Amen brother!
     
  17. opey

    opey Active Member

    this is all true, but it also says no rpcd can be laid off if 22.4's are working. sending a driver home for "no work" is a lay off.. so this pretty clearly says they cant send home the rpcd but use a 22.4 instead. also, 22.4's will be scheduled tues-sat or wed-sun, for the far majority if not all of them. so they wouldnt be available to use on monday
     
  18. Mst3k

    Mst3k Active Member

    So they can lay us off on Monday, if the 22.4s are all Wednesday to Sunday then we can be laid off on Tuesday as well. If they choose not to hire 22.4s then we can be laid off on any day.
     
  19. opey

    opey Active Member

    well, maybe theoretically. but if they dont have the 22.4's to replace the rpcd's its not likely. plus, theres usually enough guys that are looking for a day off that nobody ever gets forced other than trainees. at least thats always been my experience in my center.

    im not saying that i agree with the "when work is available" language either btw.
     
  20. Mst3k

    Mst3k Active Member

    Glad that we have nothing to worry about since you have yet to see something done that the company previously could not do.