Obamacare

[Fred's Myth]

No one is 'forced' to participate. If you DO participate, you get a tax break. Just like participating in a 401k, or getting a mortgage and deducting the interest.

AND there is nothing in the constitution against just instituting a tax on everyone, even if they've bought nothing

The roads you drive on every day are 'socialist' as are the police who protect you. Screaming socialism at every government program makes you seem a little bit off. After all, there is NOTHING in the constitution against 'socialist' programs, and in fact, the preamble gives the purpose of the entire constitution as providing for the 'general welfare' of the people.

Unless you work in an exempt industry, you ARE forced to participate in Social Security, through employer required withholding and match, or self-employed income reporting. Welcome to the actual discussion.

Your second post ascribed a scenario that, too, had absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. What was actually described was taxing someone via FICA/SECA and applying a means test to determine eligibility. That would be illegal taxation. Social Security money is yours, placed in a trust, until you qualify to withdraw it. Try reading slower, it might help.

 

[vantexan]

Unless you work in an exempt industry, you ARE forced to participate in Social Security, through employer required withholding and match, or self-employed income reporting. Welcome to the actual discussion.

Your second post ascribed a scenario that, too, had absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. What was actually described was taxing someone via FICA/SECA and applying a means test to determine eligibility. That would be illegal taxation. Social Security money is yours, placed in a trust, until you qualify to withdraw it. Try reading slower, it might help.

I think a better solution would be to tax all income but have a maximum monthly payout. And maybe not tax all of it at the same rate. For example Social Security tax is levied on the first $100k or so, maybe add a 3% tax to all income above that without an employer match. Or more, or require the employer matches too. As far as fairness the guy making $30k has it all taxed, why not the guy who grosses a million? The guy making $30k will feel it more than the guy making a million.

 

[59 Dano]

Common sense, with historical precedent.

What historical precedent?

 

[59 Dano]

Wrong. It's your completely hypocritical political stance. It's a cold historical fact that your party fought bitterly against the passage of the Social Security Act and Medicare and nearly succeeded. You are true republican fight bitterly against the passage of any social legislation then a few years after it's passed say "hey this is a pretty good deal" but instead of taking a personal stand against those programs you'll right there to take advantage of it because you life is better for it.

Take a personal stand? Here's my personal stand: I want what I was promised and was forced to pay for.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

What historical precedent?

Reagan bush obama

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I think a better solution would be to tax all income but have a maximum monthly payout. And maybe not tax all of it at the same rate. For example Social Security tax is levied on the first $100k or so, maybe add a 3% tax to all income above that without an employer match. Or more, or require the employer matches too. As far as fairness the guy making $30k has it all taxed, why not the guy who grosses a million? The guy making $30k will feel it more than the guy making a million.

So you want to make it more socialist.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Take a personal stand? Here's my personal stand: I want what I was promised and was forced to pay for.

Me me me lol
Baby boomers are the worst

 

[59 Dano]

Reagan bush obama

Revenues went up every year of the Reagan administration...

EDIT: Except one.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Revenues went up every year of the Reagan administration...

Lol
You're bad at economics bro. Stick to passing out letters.

 

[59 Dano]

Lol
You're bad at economics bro. Stick to passing out letters.

Stats don't lie, bro.

 

[vantexan]

So you want to make it more socialist.

I just want it to be solvent. If the wealthy have enjoyed that status all their lives because their workers made just enough to get by, the least they can do is help them in retirement.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I just want it to be solvent. If the wealthy have enjoyed that status all their lives because their workers made just enough to get by, the least they can do is help them in retirement.

Hilarious coming from someone who pretends to be a conservative.

I guess is I had failed financially my entire life I might want other people to support me too. Sad.

 

[Fred's Myth]

Me me me lol
Baby boomers are the worst

Sounds like you believe Social Security taxes are charitable donations, and not monies placed in trust for those whose wages were reduced by those taxes. Are you a Marxist by any chance?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Sounds like you believe Social Security taxes are charitable donations, and not monies placed in trust for those whose wages were reduced by those taxes. Are you a Marxist by any chance?

I believe you people voted for decades. Repeatedly. For people who over and over spent your money. You need to take responsibility.

You have no right to force young people to pay for your failures.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Hilarious coming from someone who pretends to be a conservative.

I guess is I had failed financially my entire life I might want other people to support me too. Sad.

I happen to agree w/van on this one. While SS will not be a big part of my retirement income, it is something that I have paid in to since I was 19 and I would like to get back just a small part of that money.

I would also support tweaking our payroll taxes to ensure it will be there for my children, their children and so on.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I happen to agree w/van on this one. While SS will not be a big part of my retirement income, it is something that I have paid in to since I was 19 and I would like to get back just a small part of that money.

I would also support tweaking our payroll taxes to ensure it will be there for my children, their children and so on.

So give you yours, and raise taxes on the young to make sure you get it.

Me me me.
Baby boomers are the worst.

 

[59 Dano]

So give you yours, and raise taxes on the young to make sure you get it.

I just want what's mine. Don't care how I get it. The Bureau of Indian Affairs has a billion or so in its budget. Take it from that.

Me me me.
Baby boomers are the worst.

Gen X.

 

[Fred's Myth]

So give you yours, and raise taxes on the young to make sure you get it.

Me me me.
Baby boomers are the worst.

Snowflake.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I just want what's mine. Don't care how I get it. The Bureau of Indian Affairs has a billion or so in its budget. Take it from that.

Smh.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Snowflake.

Exactly, baby boomers are total snowflakes.